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I did, in the very post you're responding to here. Go back and re-read it. If you still need it then I'll cut and paste the answer for you.You know, I don't think you ever answered my question about whether or not wearing the cross is, in and of itself, enough to mark someone as a "Good Christian".
Wonder away. I've made it pretty clear. It's not just the symbol but the meaning behind it. You seem to never want to talk about the meanings of symbols or how your religion uses so many magical symbols and Satanic symbols and the Demonic meanings behind your religion... Seems you're the one stuck on the symbol itself and trying to intentionally distract from its meaning.You're placing so much emphasis on the physical symbol that one wonders about how you see it in regards to everything else.
Neither one addressed the topic. John Davidson said he was supposed to focus on "the atonement" which in the mormon religion is not the Cross. EmmaCat threw a fit over my calling mormon magical underwear "magical". And John Davidson can apologize on my behalf all he wants, but I have no apologies for anything I've said, since everything I've said has simply been the Christian view on the mormon religion. If John Davidson wants to be quasi-mormon in his beliefs and become offended when a Christian speaks the Truth then he can apologize all day for all I care. What a joke, LOL!John Davidson
EmmaCat
The former - a former member of the church - outright stated that you're wrong with your arguments. The latter actually apologized on your behalf for going off like you did with an OP so clearly misinformed and insulting.
The goal posts are right in the same place, right there in the OP. Go back and re-read it until you see where they are.Maybe if you'd leave the goal posts where they were...
I'm not. I never even said such a thing. You and Jane Doe concocted that.If it's not what the OP is about, then why are you so obsessed with it?
No personal insult - I can only presume your comprehension in reading what I've said is poor because you don't address what I've said but instead you address things I never said. I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt so as to insult you, because if it's not a misunderstanding on your part then you'd be intentionally distorting what I said.How do personal insults reflect the light of Christ?
dzheremi, you summed up the whole issue (in debating mormons overall) in a nutshell right hereIt appears that they want their own trinity of three gods, their own bible and quasi-bible in the form of the LDS translation of the Bible (cross-referenced with their quasi-Bible, the Book of Mormon), their own substitute cross with this "CTR" thing, their own prophets outside of the ones we hold in common, their own revelations, and so forth, and still to be thought of as Christians, with everyone else merely 'misunderstanding' (or deliberately mischaracterizing) each of these points.
...says the person throwing out yet another ad hom (this time a blanket statement about most or all Christians here) with absolutely nothing to back it up...I am starting to think that all of the creedal Christians* on this forum aren't intreseted in getting thier facts straight, listening, or having a reasonable respectful in any way....
*Note: that's not to say that there aren't respectful reasonable creedal Christians who are intreseted in getting thier facts straight.... Just that they've all left this forum. Wondering if I should do the same... it's just.... feels like the only thing I've done hear lately in increasing in my negative perspective of creedal Christians and creedal Christianity-- and I know that creedal Christianity/Christians are better than how people here are acting... maybe the best thing for my positive view of creedal Christianity is to quit spending so much time on this forum...
There is a reason I did not call out specific examples and point fingers: I was/am trying to be polite and abide by forum rules....says the person throwing out yet another ad hom (this time a blanket statement about most or all Christians here) with absolutely nothing to back it up...
You're still using an ad hom against a group of people. It may be OK by site rules (I'm not even sure about that) but as far as the discussion/debate goes it is hollow because it doesn't make a point by providing evidence. And it certainly is not in line with the topic of the thread.There is a reason I did not call out specific examples and point fingers: I was/am trying to be polite and abide by forum rules.
You're still using an ad hom against a group of people. It may be OK by site rules (I'm not even sure about that) but as far as the discussion/debate goes it is hollow because it doesn't make a point by providing evidence. And it certainly is not in line with the topic of the thread.
Well those accusations of yours are purely opinion because you have no basis in fact or evidence. It's fine to have an opinion but you can't really expect anyone to understand it when it's rooted in your feelings and not in fact.My point is: that by talking to vast majority of the creedal Christians that hang out on this sub-forum of a continual period of time... I see Christ less in less in them as time progresses (talking about my perspective changing here). Now, I don't see love, I don't see charity, I don't see interest in Truth, a I don't see an in Goodness. And this is a problem for me- because I KNOW that creedal Christianity is a faith of love, goodness, charity, Truth, etc. But the more and more time I spend here talking to people, the less and less I'm seeing it. And I have a MAJOR problem with this, and am wondering the course of action I can best take to remedy (or at least migrate) this problem.
Nobody who believes in Christianity (NB: there is no "creedal Christianity" vs. any other type...even those who do not follow the traditional/conciliar creeds still have their own, unless you're talking about Unitarian Universalists, who purposely do not but who are likewise not Christians as a group) follows the creeds or the councils for the sake of being mean to those who don't.
Who called you "mentally defective"????Then how come we've been told we're mentally defective for not marching in lockstep with you guys?
Might want to ask yourself that.
Then how come we've been told we're mentally defective for not marching in lockstep with you guys?
Might want to ask yourself that.
Who called you "mentally defective"????
Nowhere in that quote am I calling you "mentally defective". Poor reading comprehension is not at all "mentally defective".You.
Your own words:
I can only presume your comprehension in reading what I've said is poor
Rather than admit we've got you dead to rights on the issue, you're making fun of us.
I tried talking about taking the cross upon us metaphorically, you told me I was off topic and hijacking your thread.Anyone can go read the OP and see this. For some reason, you and Jane Doe keep insisting that the OP said "To be a good Christian a person MUST WEAR a Cross".
I replied to you this way:I tried talking about taking the cross upon us metaphorically, you told me I was off topic and hijacking your thread.
I replied to you this way:
"Well I wrote the OP of this thread and this thread is about the outward symbol of the inward conviction. If you would like a thread on just the inward then please feel free to start that thread and discuss it there rather than hijacking this one."
You tried to turn it into being only about the inward and ignoring the outward symbol. This thread is about the religious symbol of the Cross and that it symbolizes the core tenet of Christianity, i.e. the Gospel.
The bottom line is that when you look at the mormon religion they shun the cross and they officially reject it as a symbol of their religion/faith.
No. You are ignoring that an inward conviction often leads to an outward display, particularly through a symbol, and that particularly for a group that loves and heavily employs symbols.And you are ignoring the inward convection for favor of just the outward display.
Nobody argued that simply "wearing a cross...make(s) one Christian". You've shown repeatedly a premise that nobody ever contradicted or argued against.We have shown repeatedly that wearing a cross does not make one Christian. Nor does not wearing a cross make one not Christian. What matters in the inward... which you don't want to talk about.
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