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It's the exact same anti Mormonism propaganda I heard 30 years ago,GodsWordisTrue said:He probably has long forgotten Christian Forums. We aren't the same people he talked to before.
I don't know, when it comes to what the LDS believe I still can't find one.GodsWordisTrue said:Which of them was an ex-Mormon who knew what she was talking about?
Theway quote:
It's the exact same anti Mormonism propaganda I heard 30 years ago,
or has better cut and pasting technics from web sites improved the effectiveness of your message.
It's not the documents it's the interpretation or conclusions drawn from such that are still wrong.daneel said:I still have to wonder why it is that if an 'anti' site' has the same teachings/quotes that a bonafide/official doctrine document it is still termed derogatory?
Theway said:It's the exact same anti Mormonism propaganda I heard 30 years ago, or has better cut and pasting technics from web sites improved the effectiveness of your message.
I don't know, when it comes to what the LDS believe I still can't find one.
Theway said:It's the exact same anti Mormonism propaganda I heard 30 years ago,
or has better cut and pasting technics from web sites improved the effectiveness of your message.
I don't know, when it comes to what the LDS believe I still can't find one.
Theway said:It's not the documents it's the interpretation or conclusions drawn from such that are still wrong.
Theway said:An ex-Mormon who knew what she was talking about
Theway said:An ex-Mormon who knew what she was talking about
Maybe not, but it sure seems to erase the context of many things, time frames, etc.Sven1967 said:Then you haven't looked very hard, I dare say. I know of many. You know, leaving the Mormon church does not erase what one was taught while a Mormon. It is like you forgetting how to read because you are no longer in elementary school. To think otherwise borders on the absurd.
Sven
In your opinion, but then again I didn't know you were ever a Mormon.Jenda said:Maybe not, but it sure seems to erase the context of many things, time frames, etc.
Maybe they have, but then, they accept some things that are quite questionable because they fit in with what has been taught to them.Sven1967 said:In your opinion, but then again I didn't know you were ever a Mormon.
Every missionary I have conversed with has not denied, in fact have agreed with me, regarding what I have shared with them doctrinally.
Sven
Jenda said:Maybe they have, but then, they accept some things that are quite questionable because they fit in with what has been taught to them.
For instance, many here, especially ex-mo's, state continually that eternal progression was a teaching of Joseph Smith's. What they fail to state is that the only time that Joseph Smith mentioned anything like that is in a funeral discourse 2 months before he was killed. That is kind of a stretch from mentioning it once to it being a "teaching" (which implies a well thought-out theology). That is the kind of thing that I was talking about.
Theway said:An ex-Mormon who knew what she was talking about
Jenda said:Maybe they have, but then, they accept some things that are quite questionable because they fit in with what has been taught to them.
For instance, many here, especially ex-mo's, state continually that eternal progression was a teaching of Joseph Smith's. What they fail to state is that the only time that Joseph Smith mentioned anything like that is in a funeral discourse 2 months before he was killed. That is kind of a stretch from mentioning it once to it being a "teaching" (which implies a well thought-out theology). That is the kind of thing that I was talking about.
This was a tongue in cheek response to post #20 in which it was you who seemed to be implying that the intelligence of previous anti Mormonism posters was not adequate. Also that the LDS have no understanding of thier own doctrine and need you interpret it for us.GodsWordisTrue said:I'd like to see Mormons refute what people talk about instead of attacking the intelligence of the people who post here. It so easy to say that people don't know what they're talking about, but so hard to prove it.
Jenda said:For instance, many here, especially ex-mo's, state continually that eternal progression was a teaching of Joseph Smith's. What they fail to state is that the only time that Joseph Smith mentioned anything like that is in a funeral discourse 2 months before he was killed. That is kind of a stretch from mentioning it once to it being a "teaching" (which implies a well thought-out theology). That is the kind of thing that I was talking about.
If you want some answers PM me. I have posted to this broken record enough. ZippythemormonpinheadDapo|e said:Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.
Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.
Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman. (Not what I have been told all my life).
They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?) But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM, and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc... Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.
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