More Books of God.

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Well I will not shut up about this until I die or until the Lord says to be silent. The Lord has shown me many things and the Lord showed me certain things in the verses of the Holy Bible explaining about some of the lost books of the bible ( the 3 books of hermas and the 2 of clement):

First I will show what the Lord has shown me about Clement:
Philippians 4:2-3 I implore Euodia and I implore Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord. And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.

the names mean ( i looked in 2 different strong's concordances )

Euodia- "good way" ; "fine travelling" ; and possibly "good fragance"

Syntyche- "coincidence, success" or "an accident"

then I looked up certain words describing those names in a dictionary ( I believe God Made the Words that we speak and I think that God helped describing the meanings of the words he made)

for Syntyche:
coincidence- 1: the act or condition of coinciding. 2: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection.
coincide- to occupy exactly corresponding or equivalent positions on a scale or in a series.
accident-1: an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance.
success- degree or measure of succeding B- favorable or desired outcome; also: the attainment of wealth, favor, or eminence.

ok so now here is how I see it... I myself am Euodia because I know the good way.. the fine travelling and right paths to walk in ( the books of clement and others) those that dont believe me are Syntyche because they think it is a coincidence or an accident that I found the books or that Clement's name was written down by Paul. but you ( Syntyche ) will soon have success and see that concidence means coincide and not accident, and we shall do as God says through Paul: "I implore Euodia and I implore Syntyche to be of the same mind in the Lord" and then Paul says how we should be, ( I agree with paul): "And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life."
So now you see that since I agree with paul and that paul says that Clement is written in the Book of Life, that you too should agree with me in that Clement's books are to be read and loved because God gave them to us. Also on a last note Clement means "mild"


Now on to Hermas!

Romans 16:14- Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren who are with them.

The names means:
Asyncritus- "incomparable" because the books of hermas are incomparable because they are from the Lord.

Phlegon-"burning" or "blazing" because hermas, the angel ( Phanuel), the Chruch, and myself and soon all of the saints burn with the message and the words of what God says in the books of hermas ; or maybe it means the books of hermas are refining since some of what it teaches is Repentance. Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is Pure (the word pure means- to smelt; refine) ; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.

Hermas- I dont know what Hermas means but Notice it is the 3rd name listed and Hermas has 3 books.

Patrobas- " Father of existence" or "Father's life" because the Father of life wants us to know that he gives the saints the books of hermas to help us in many ways... and I think Father gives us Hermas because it is the end times and Hermas helps alot to understand the end ( the end as in before Jesus comes back)

Hermes- it possibly means " rock, or cairn" and cairn means: cairn- a heap of stones piled up as a memorial or as a landmark. and proverbs 22:28 says "Do not remove the ancient landmark which your fathers have set." so landmark might be meaning the intire Logos of God and that we are not supposed to remove any of Gods words from us although many "church fathers" say: Jerome calls it foolish ( but before he called it good) and I know the earlyer church fathers ( example: Origen) say good things about Hermas, like it is from God. yet the wolves despise it. and I must ay at first I was greatly despising it until God showed me the truth of it. also on a last note about the name Hermes- as you prolly know, is a name of a greek deity ( and maybe some of you know that Greeks have a very distorted wosdom about the things of God). also you might know that sometimes angels in the bible are called "gods" (notice the small "g").
in hermas the angel(messenger) is Phanuel in 2 of the books and has other messengers.

so there is the word of God.. and what the Lord has shown me. and now I will type somethings in the book of Hermas.

Hermas 1: Vision 4:8-And the sun shone a little: and behold I saw a great beast, as it were a whale; and fierly locusts came out of his mouth. The height of the beast was about a hundred feet, and he had a head like a large earthen vessel ( not on earthen vessel says: vas. urnale)

4:13- Now the beast had upon its head four colours; first black, then a red( not on "red" the word red in the greek prolly means fiery or maybe it means fiery in latin) and bloody colour, then a golden, and then a white.

4:20- If therefore, ye shall have prepared yourselves, ye may escape it, if your heart be pure and without spot; and if ye shall serve God all the rest of your days without complaint.

4:21 Cast all your cares upon the Lord, and he will direct them. Believe in God, ye doubtful, because he can do all things; he can both turn away his wrath from you, and send you help and security.

4:22- woe to the doubtful, to those who shall hear these words, and shall despise them: it had been better for them that they had not been born.

4:24- Hear, said she( the vision of the church) : The black which thou sawest denotes the world in which you dwell. The fiery and bloody colour signifies that this age must be destroyed by fire and blood.

4:25- the golden part are ye, who have escaped out of it. For as gold is tried by the fire, and is made profitable, so are ye also in like manner tried who dwell among the men of this world.

4:26- They therefore, that shall endure to the end shall be purged. And as gold, by this trial, is cleansed and loses its dross, so shall ye also cast away all sorrow and trouble, and be made pure for the building of the tower(temple).

4:27- But the white colour denotes the time of the world which is to come, in which the elect of God shall dwell: because the elect of God shall be pure and without spot until life eternal.

Note: the bold verse is a warning.. look at it and see how serious God is about this. and also notice that I did not type out all of the vision because I really dont got time to.

Now I willend with these words:
1 Hermas Vision 3:50- Tell them that all these things are true, and that there is nothing in them that is not true; but all are firm and truly established.
1 Hermas Vision 4:28- wherefore do not thou cease to speak these things in the ears of the saints. Here ye have the figure of the great tribulation that is about to come; which, if you please shall be nothing to you. Keep therefore in mind the things that I have said unto you.
1 Enoch 104:10-11 -- Another mystery also I point out. to the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe; And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.

Note: I know that God has given many great books in the Holy Bible and I greatly Love them all. but also notice that God has more for his elect.

well I will prolly be typing more about those books ( typing verses ) to more show the truth of the Logos of God... that he has much weapons for us! more food! more joy! more of God's wisdom!

 

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Ok now here is some more info:

Ever heard of "The Apocrypha" ? I have that book, Translated by Edgar J. Goodspeed. I will quote some of the preface now {with some notes of mine with brackets or whatever they are called}:
" The Apocrypha Formed an Integral part of the king James version of 1611, as they had of all the preceding English versions from their beginning in 1382. But they are seldom printed as part of it any longer, still more seldom as part of the English Revised Version, and were not included in the American Revision. This is partly because the purtians disapproved of them; they had already begun to drop them from printings of their Geneva Bible by 1600, and began to demand copies of the King James Version omitting them, as early as 1629. And it is partly because we moderns discredit them because they did not form part of the Hebrew Bible and most of them have never been found in any Hebrew forms at all.{ though some of them were written in herbrew at first, but only greek or latin copies survived} But they were part of the Bible of the early church, for it used the greek version of the jewish Bible, which we call the Septuagint, and these books were all in that Version."

and another quote:
"Ecclesiasticus, otherwise called The Wisdom of Jeshua the son of Sirach{Jeshua;Jesus; Joshua; all the same name transliterated differently} , is the longest and most attractive book in the Apocrypha. The author is concerned for religious truth but his emphasis is on wordly wisdom {I have the Spirit of Christ and I know it is from heaven and not wordly wisdom} that comes from experience. Eclesiasticus was written about 180B.C. { who knows if that person knows if that is true}"
The prologue says that he made a translation from the hebrew copy to a greek, so there was a hebrew copy and they also found hebrew fragments in the dead sea scrolls."

Here is some info about my brother Origen taken from some book:
"If Origen of Alexandria (186-255) was the most influential theologian of the early Greek Chruch-- and he was-- why have you never heard of "Saint Origen"?"
another quote from the same book:
"....Forbade Origen's controversial teachings- most especially his permises concerning the preexistence of Souls, which undergrid the doctrine of reincarnation.{ the foolish women that wrote this distorts what my Origen was talkin about, since he was talkin about our souls before we fell away from God, how we were all pure (even the devil) but then when we fell God made some of us archangels, some angels, some humans, some demons; and if you need some proof that we did not just start existing when we became humans, read jeremiah 4 God talks about "for this cause I shall make the heavens black" so there is in fact a gap in genesis 1:1 and 1:2 God says somewhere in Isaiah that he did not creat the earth "without form and void" so there was an age before this... and there is a new heavens and a new earth coming too}
Here are some books my brother Origen quoted as the Word of God:
certain books of Enoch; the books of Maceabees; Eclesiasticus; and the Widsom of Solomon { those are the ones I can recall that he quoted and I have by no means read all of Origens works in the Holy Spirit}

Now brothers look at the intro of the Letter of Barnabas:
" This Epistle lays a greater claim to canonical authority than most others. It has been cited by Clemens Alexandrinus, Origen, Eusebius, and Jerome, and many ancient Fathers."
" Vossius, Dupuis, Dr. Cane, Dr. Mill, Dr. S. Clark, Whiston, and Archbishop Wake also esteemed it genuine:"
And I read also in there that it was written before Jude{ btw Jude quotes the book of Enoch why is the books of Enoch not in the Bible?} and before certain other books of the NT.

Now on to the 1st Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians:
"Clement was a disciple of Peter, and afterwards Bishop of Rome. Clemens Alexandrinus calls him an apostle. Jerome says he was an apostolical man, and Rufinus that he was almost an apostle. Eusebius calls this the wonderful Epistle of St. Clement, and says that it was publicly read in the assemblies of the primitive church. It is included in one of the ancient collections of the Canon Scripture."
"The present is the Archbishop's translation from the ancient greek copy of the Epistle, which is at the end of the celebrated Alexandrine MS. of the Septuagint and the New Testament, presented by Cyril, Patriarch of Alexandria, to King Charles the First, now in the British Museum."

Now the Shepherd of Hermas:
"This book is thus entitled because it was composed by Hermas, brother to Pius, bishop of Rome; and because the angel, who bears the principal part in it, is represented in the form and habit of a shepherd. Irenaeus quotes it under the very name of scripture. Origen thought it a most useful writing and that it was divinely inspired; Eusebius says, that, though it was not esteemed canonical, it was read publicly in the churches, which is corroborated by Jerome { corroborate-to support with evidence or authority: make more certain}; and Athanasius cites it, calls it a most useful work, and observes, that it was not strictly canonical, the Fathers appointed it to be read for direction and confirnation in faith and piety. Jerome, notwithstanding this, and that he applauded it in his catalogue of writers, in his comments upon it afterwards, terms it apocryphal and foolish. Tertullian praised it when a catholic, and abused it when a montanist. Although Gelasius ranks it among the apocryphal books, it is found attached to some of the most ancient MS. of the New Testament;"

Ok now about the Epistles of Ignatius and Polycarp's Epistle:
"These are supposed to form the collection that Polycarp made of the Epistles of Ignatius, mentioned by Irenaeus, Origen, Eusebius, Jerome, Athanasius, Theodoret and other ancients; but many learnedmen have imagined all of them to be apocryphal. This supposition, the piety of Archbishop Wakw, and his persuasion of their utility to the faith of the church, will not permit him to entertain; hence he has taken great pains to render the present translation acceptable, by adding numerous readings and references to the canonical books"

 

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also I must make a note that if you read certain books that are not from God... like there is a book that is said to be of solomon... and it talks about solomon having a magic ring... and having power over evil spirits... I do believe that you can get an evil spirit of error from that book. so you must take heed not to read any books that are from God. or you could give way for an evil spirit to harm or trick you.. you need Gods help to decern between good and evil... and maybe a person that is not skilled in the word of God can be greatly mislead by me telling about certain books... though if you pray to God and you lay all your hopes on him and you are desiring more of his Logos... then the Lord will help you out. but i do not say that "babes in christ" should try to look at these books because they may be harmful to them since they will not understand them, or maybe they will start to read books that are not from God.
I can give another example about "babes in christ"... in the Holy Bible.. that they can be harmed by or not benefit at all by.. the book called "song of songs" or "song of solomon" is almost of no use at all the those babes in christ.. because they donot understand the right way to contemplate the word of God... and also they might distort the meaning of it.. that is there flesh might distort the meaning of that book thinking it is a fleshly love romance book.. (many think that) but in fact it is from God and very deep and I can hardly contemplate that book.

 

[ebia]

Perhaps you could explain why I should value your opinions of what books should be in the bible over the vast number of fathers of the church who collectively debated, discussed and discerned this one and half millennia ago? I hate to break it to you, but "God told me..." is not a very convincing line.

 

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Perhaps you could explain why I should value your opinions of what books should be in the bible over the vast number of fathers of the church who collectively debated, discussed and discerned this one and half millennia ago? I hate to break it to you, but "God told me..." is not a very convincing line.

well I got alot of problems but remember the book of Jude? twice he quotes 2 different books that the Jews used to believe were from God but then later on the jews dont think they are... just like the church fathers used to believe them and now the later ones dont. I cannot type much info about this right now cause I am having problems in my life, I might not ever come back to this forums cause it is full of discord. did you read? I did not just have opioions I also had much info about the earlyest church fathers quoteing the books.

 

[ebia]

I did not just have opioions I also had much info about the earlyest church fathers quoteing the books.

Quoting a book doesn't make a book canonical. I have no problem with the idea that many of the above are worth reading. I have no problem with regarding the deuterocanoical books (Ecclesiastiucs, Wisdom, Tobit, etc) as part of the bible - I use a Catholic bible that includes them anyway.

I have no problem with the idea that books that nearly made the canon like the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas are worth reading. But that doesn't make them canonical.

 

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Quoting a book doesn't make a book canonical. I have no problem with the idea that many of the above are worth reading. I have no problem with regarding the deuterocanoical books (Ecclesiastiucs, Wisdom, Tobit, etc) as part of the bible - I use a Catholic bible that includes them anyway.

I have no problem with the idea that books that nearly made the canon like the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas are worth reading. But that doesn't make them canonical.

ebia what makes a book canonical? I dont let wolves pick which books are from God. Though many sheep said ( and I must add that some wolves said also) that they are from God.
They are either from God or not from God. So which is it? if a human wrote them... then I dont wanna read them. if a born again christian that gots the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit writes it through them... then I will read what God says. who is wise but God?
"I have no problem with regarding the deuterocanoical books (Ecclesiastiucs, Wisdom, Tobit, etc) as part of the bible - I use a Catholic bible that includes them anyway."
Y are those books not in all bibles now? because some people decided that they are not worthy to be in the Holy bible. well I will not add or take away from what God has given. But I have noticed that wolves and foxes over time seem to wanna take away all of the bible little by little...
Has it not always been this way? if you research then you will see that the Jews did the same thing. they used to say that enoch is from God and then one day they reject it. they say they got rid of it because of this reason or that. but where is the faith in God that he perserves? I know he does or he would not have preserved the books I take about. they were though to be from God but as time passes then they are though to not be from God.
Well I got no clue y God choose for it to be that way. His Wisdom is to High for me to understand but I am glade that he gives me the Holy Spirit. Well like I said before I cannot talk much about this because I gotta completely die to myself and follow God 100% and when God sees me doing that, then maybe it will be his will to give me a mouth and wisdom which none can reject.

well for not God bless you all and you all keep tryin to die to yourself and live unto Christ. let us all keep walking forwards and not backwards!

 

[ebia]

ebia what makes a book canonical?

That it was deemed to measure up against the rule. (Apostolic, reliable, etc). When the NT canon was decided the intention never was that it should include all books of value, but that it should include all books that they could be absolutely certain about and that were valuable for reading aloud in church.

I dont let wolves pick which books are from God. Though many sheep said ( and I must add that some wolves said also) that they are from God.

Oh, were life that simple. It's not.

They are either from God or not from God. So which is it? if a human wrote them... then I dont wanna read them.

That's a shame, because all the books we have (canonical or not) were written by humans.

if a born again christian that gots the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit writes it through them... then I will read what God says. who is wise but God?

Fine. The bible isn't meant to be all books inspired by God. It never was meant to be that.

"I have no problem with regarding the deuterocanoical books (Ecclesiastiucs, Wisdom, Tobit, etc) as part of the bible - I use a Catholic bible that includes them anyway."
Y are those books not in all bibles now?

As I said, they are in mine.

because some people decided that they are not worthy to be in the Holy bible. well I will not add or take away from what God has given. But I have noticed that wolves and foxes over time seem to wanna take away all of the bible little by little...

... and add to it. You point was?

 

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That it was deemed to measure up against the rule. (Apostolic, reliable, etc). When the NT canon was decided the intention never was that it should include all books of value, but that it should include all books that they could be absolutely certain about and that were valuable for reading aloud in church.


Oh, were life that simple. It's not.



That's a shame, because all the books we have (canonical or not) were written by humans.



Fine. The bible isn't meant to be all books inspired by God. It never was meant to be that.



As I said, they are in mine.



... and add to it. You point was?

Sir I will not talk anymore with you because it is not good to.

I dunno if you understand what I was tryin to tell you.

So it is best not to type on this thread anymore because I must first die to myself.

Have you died to yourself? you seem very mean towards me. I hope I did not seem mean to you, that is not what I was tryin to do.

though I do see some pride in both my and your post, we must not fight, I know that we ( the sheeps) will be in concord soon enough. until then I gotta become a good sheep and if the Lord will have me to tell about these books surely I will tell so.
good bye... let us all grow in Christ and die to ourselves and hate our own soul and the world since God tells us to.

 

[ebia]

If you don't want your views critiqued, don't post them on a discussion forum.

 

[plmarquette]

Jerome 1600's translated 15 books that were in the Latin Vulgate , that are not in the King James . 7 of the 15 are within the Catholic Canon : Additions to the book of Daniel :bell and the dragon , song of the hebrew children , 1,2 Macabees , Tobit , Sirach , Wisdom , Judith , Baruch ... while 8 of the 15 are rejected by Catholics as containing errors or being spurios ( flawed ) ...
go to www.ewtn.org , then to document libraries , run search for apocrypha .

or run search of pseudopegripha and apocrypha ..
paul