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Moral Question on Sex
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PeterJack said:
I'm not a Christian, but...
1. Absolutely, but be careful, as there are certain risks to it -- there are a good number of significant health benefits to frequent sex, too, though
Also, remember that sex is a highly emotional act, and be careful not to emotionally damage the people you engage in sexual intercourse with. Otherwise, have sex all you like -- marriage is a social construct and has nothing to do with whether or not sex is "ok".2. Absolutely. It's also completely harmless and possibly even healthful.
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Yes, as long as you are seeking a meaningful longterm relationship with someone good for you. If this is just casual sex, I'd say that this is too shallow and short-sighted.PeterJack said:
Yes. Why wouldn't it be?
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Peter Jack, if your seeking christian to christian help, definately, definately dont listen to this guy. He has absolutely NO CLUE WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!
1. Is it ok to have premarital sex?
NO! That is why marrige was made. Let me define marrige for you. Marrige is when a man and woman(NOT MAN AND MAN, OR WOMAN AND WOMAN) come together in a holy vow and promise to stay together for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. This means that you should save yourself for the one that you will be spending the rest of your life with. Not sleeping with every girl you've ever had a relationship with.
2. Is masturbation wrong?
Yes it is. You are lusting after somebody when you touch right? Well, Lusting after them, and thinking impure thoughts is just like actually doing what you are thinking with this person. I would agree on the verses thatDRA has given to you. And just consult the bible. You dont need other opinions when you look to the bible. The bible will answer more or less every question that you have regarding this subject.
1. Is it ok to have premarital sex?
NO! That is why marrige was made. Let me define marrige for you. Marrige is when a man and woman(NOT MAN AND MAN, OR WOMAN AND WOMAN) come together in a holy vow and promise to stay together for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. This means that you should save yourself for the one that you will be spending the rest of your life with. Not sleeping with every girl you've ever had a relationship with.
2. Is masturbation wrong?
Yes it is. You are lusting after somebody when you touch right? Well, Lusting after them, and thinking impure thoughts is just like actually doing what you are thinking with this person. I would agree on the verses thatDRA has given to you. And just consult the bible. You dont need other opinions when you look to the bible. The bible will answer more or less every question that you have regarding this subject.
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ernest_theweedwhackerguy said:
Ah, but I don't believe the Bible, so my advice is quite correct from a logical standpoint. Granted, from a faith-based standpoint it may not be, but then, literally any nonsense can be true if you base your worldview on faith.
EDIT: Note that I'm not saying faith is bad. There are some subjects on which one must either have faith or reject them entirely. However, it is bad to base objective observations on faith.
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I'll go as far as saying that casual sex is clearly dangerous, and that even fairly serious sexual relationships have significant potential downsides that should be taken into account carefully.
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I am going to chime in with my 2 cents.PeterJack said:
1. I think for premarital sex, you must be emotionally ready. Especially with younger people who aren't quite sure about the consequences of sex. Deciding if premarital sex is okay is something you must figure out on your own. Investigate your own beliefs and feelings on the subject.
2. Masturbation is totally and and completely normal. It is healthy to explore yourself sexually. Humans start doing it when they are babies. It is a completely safe way to experiment with sexuality if you are worried about premarital sex, for instance.
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PeterJack said:
No. The Bible forbids sex outside of marriage.
I don't see anything in scripture that condemnes masturbation in and of itself but you do want to consider that masturbation is going to stir up lust, which is a sin.
The Christian's question should never be, "how close to the edge can I get without falling off", but, "how can I guard my heart and honor Christ".
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I guess the first question is: how do you know it is premarital or rather pre-relationship? I mean if you are totally dedicated to this person but you have severe personal issues about marriage or you decide to move in together - I don't think it is optimal but there is an emotional commitment there. But if on the other hand it is like..."I'm going to party, gonna get some sex tonight!" Then I think that is acting like a jerk.
As to masturbation, from my observation, nature plays cruel tricks on boys at puberty and from conversations I have had, it seems that it is going to happen anyway whether you want it to or not (in your sleep, is that right?). While for girls, I would very much recommend some sort of self exploration because again, studies show that unless you have some sort of clue what you like or are at least open enough to talk about it, your partner not only could but most likely will be pressing the wrong buttons for a long time.
As to masturbation, from my observation, nature plays cruel tricks on boys at puberty and from conversations I have had, it seems that it is going to happen anyway whether you want it to or not (in your sleep, is that right?). While for girls, I would very much recommend some sort of self exploration because again, studies show that unless you have some sort of clue what you like or are at least open enough to talk about it, your partner not only could but most likely will be pressing the wrong buttons for a long time.
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How is doing something that is natural a "perversion of our nature"?Lifesaver said:
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No.
No.
It's hard to resist masturbation because of hormones, and that reqires intense faith and will power. If you touch, pray to be forgiven, and it is forgiven. But if you have an addiction/habit, then it is getting dangerous.
God sees everything.
No.
It's hard to resist masturbation because of hormones, and that reqires intense faith and will power. If you touch, pray to be forgiven, and it is forgiven. But if you have an addiction/habit, then it is getting dangerous.
God sees everything.
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Premarital Sex:
It is sinful. Sex should be for marriage and marriage alone. That begs the question of when you are married. For different cultures it is at different times. In America you are not considered married until you have the legal docuement and the what ever ceremony you deem fit. In other places, well, all you need is a ceremony. In other places, I do not even think a ceremony is needed. But when you get down to it, what really matters is that a man and a woman come together and vow to each other and before God that they will be true to one another. So, as is commanded in the Bible, follow the laws of the land you are in as far as the needs for marriage is concerned, but the promise to God and each other is the paramount issue.
Masturbation:
As was stated earlier, there is nothing condemning the action, in and of itself, in the Bible. If you are going to do it though, be careful how you do it, otherwise you could possibly walk over the line into lust.
It is sinful. Sex should be for marriage and marriage alone. That begs the question of when you are married. For different cultures it is at different times. In America you are not considered married until you have the legal docuement and the what ever ceremony you deem fit. In other places, well, all you need is a ceremony. In other places, I do not even think a ceremony is needed. But when you get down to it, what really matters is that a man and a woman come together and vow to each other and before God that they will be true to one another. So, as is commanded in the Bible, follow the laws of the land you are in as far as the needs for marriage is concerned, but the promise to God and each other is the paramount issue.
Masturbation:
As was stated earlier, there is nothing condemning the action, in and of itself, in the Bible. If you are going to do it though, be careful how you do it, otherwise you could possibly walk over the line into lust.
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MKalashnikov
No longer a member of CF. As per Romans 12:9
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification, for you to abstain from fornication,
1Th 4:4 each one of you to know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor
1Th 4:5 (not in the passion of lust, even as the nations who do not know God),
1Th 4:6 not to go beyond and defraud his brother in this matter (because the Lord is the avenger concerning all these, as we also have forewarned you and testified).
1Th 4:7 For God has not called us to uncleanness, but in
sanctification.
Col 3:5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness (which is idolatry),
Col 3:6 on account of which things' sake the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience,
Col 3:7 among whom you also once walked, when you lived in
these.
Eph 5:3 For let fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness not be once named among you, as becomes saints,
Eph 5:4 neither baseness, foolish talking, jesting, which are not becoming, but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person,
or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the
kingdom of Christ and of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
2Co 12:21 lest in my coming again my God will humble me with you; and I shall mourn many who have already sinned, and not repenting over the uncleanness, and fornication, and lustfulness which they have practiced.
1Co 10:8 Nor let us commit fornication, as some of them fornicated, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day.
1Co 6:13 Meats for the belly and the belly for meats, but God shall destroy both it and them. But the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits fornication sins against his own body.
1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God? And you are not your own,
1Co 6:20 for you are bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
1Th 4:4 each one of you to know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor
1Th 4:5 (not in the passion of lust, even as the nations who do not know God),
1Th 4:6 not to go beyond and defraud his brother in this matter (because the Lord is the avenger concerning all these, as we also have forewarned you and testified).
1Th 4:7 For God has not called us to uncleanness, but in
sanctification.
Col 3:5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness (which is idolatry),
Col 3:6 on account of which things' sake the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience,
Col 3:7 among whom you also once walked, when you lived in
these.
Eph 5:3 For let fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness not be once named among you, as becomes saints,
Eph 5:4 neither baseness, foolish talking, jesting, which are not becoming, but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person,
or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the
kingdom of Christ and of God.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
2Co 12:21 lest in my coming again my God will humble me with you; and I shall mourn many who have already sinned, and not repenting over the uncleanness, and fornication, and lustfulness which they have practiced.
1Co 10:8 Nor let us commit fornication, as some of them fornicated, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day.
1Co 6:13 Meats for the belly and the belly for meats, but God shall destroy both it and them. But the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits fornication sins against his own body.
1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God? And you are not your own,
1Co 6:20 for you are bought with a price. Therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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