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Lyle said:Can you prove this;
maybe try and explain away the laws of morality....... You'll have a whole bunch of fun at that
Whats that got to do with anything?
The evidence from fossils and DNA traces our ancestry to ape-like creatures, most closely related to chimpanzees, and not to one male and one female Homo sapiens; for more info see:
Lyle said:It's scienctist biggest falter point in the whole theory of evolution. because if we evoulved, there would be no right or worng; Or laws of moality for that matter. there would be no reason to feel bad, or really feel anything about anything. There would be no complex emotional system.....
yet the missing link is still.... missing.
men have yet to find any evidence that shows we came from monkeys (also through DNA; It shows strong suggestions that we are closer related to the chicken and the garden bean).
Might I add that even Darwin himself thought it "highly unlikely that man could evolve from an anaimal."
There's problems too with the theory that Hubble tried to prove with a Big bang; About everything moving away form the earth. But isn't it true, everyhting in the universe is in motion?
So in just one percent of DNA, can make almost 180 degrees different from them?We share 99% of our DNA with chimps. How more evidence could you ask for?
Hubbles theory doesnt say everything is moving away from the earth; it says the universe is expanding, period. To say Hubble theorised that the earth is the centre of the universe is to erect a strawman.
Reference please. Creationists have a habit of quote-mining.
Dawin; From his book "Origin of Species" said:To suppose that the eye.. could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree
Those are two that I was thinking of.... Originally I was not quoting them word for word, but for their meaning.... Which is implied.Darwin; From his book "Origin of Species" said:If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ exsisted, which could not have possibly been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifcations, my theory would absolutely break down.
Yes indeed.So much so that various creationist apologists cant decide which fossil to assign to ape and which to human. See here:
What youre committing is the pragmatic fallacy: you want things to be so for a pragmatic reason, therefore you think they are so.
Now, I dont think evolution means there is no right or wrong; but even if it does, that doesnt make it any the less true. Evolution is what the evidence says, therefore it is true.
Well maybe Evolution is at fault? Check out my long debates in the Science section about Evolution and how it's not proven. Muslims are Creationists, but not with the Genesis account.Heathen Dawn said:If the Quran is true, why doesnt it mention evolution? Why does it mention Aadam (Adam) and Haawah (Eve), who never really existed?
Oh I beg you...go ahead...show me!Lyle said:Mo. mentum: Not to disregard the scholars and such; But how about we put them aside for a minute.. Let the Qu' ran speak for itself. Though this is not the only error (if one at all in the Qu' ran), I have seen bigger ones that would be more profitable to point out.. Many that collapse islam on itself...
I can show you just as much proof for otherwise.Heathen Dawn said:The evidence from fossils and DNA traces our ancestry to ape-like creatures, most closely related to chimpanzees, and not to one male and one female Homo sapiens; for more info see:
Lyle said:So in just one percent of DNA, can make almost 180 degrees different from them?
Haha, i never said he said the earth was at the center of the universe, did I? You're making implications of what was not said.
Seems you have aproblem with quotes yourself..... But
Charles Darwin said:To suppose that the eye.. could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree
If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ exsisted, which could not have possibly been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifcations, my theory would absolutely break down.
Forgive me, but what does that prove?
me thinks you need to study the line of where truth originates. You'll trace it back a god of some kind. Because it's by the power of a higher being (God) that dtermines right or worng. And if the world has evolved to what it is, and there is no god; Therefore there is not right or wrong, and no truth at all. but looking deeper then truth as factiaul..... But rather more along the lines of morality.
we would be as the animals that see no right or wrong. But praytell, can you disprove that truth coems from a god? Let's let you use science for that.
That can just mean that we were designed by the same architect, with the same rules and laws. Tell me how Evolution gave you finger prints, how Evolution gave you emotions and love and sympathy and mercy. Tell me how Evolution colored your eyes.Heathen Dawn said:We share 99% of our DNA with chimps. How more evidence could you ask for?
mo.mentum said:Well maybe Evolution is at fault?
And who's to say Adam and Eve never existed?
I can show you just as much proof for otherwise.
http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/index.php
http://www.darwinism-watch.com/
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/
That can just mean that we were designed by the same architect, with the same rules and laws.
Tell me how Evolution gave you finger prints, how Evolution gave you emotions and love and sympathy and mercy. Tell me how Evolution colored your eyes.
Tell me how Evolution makes EVERY SINGLE creature unique, even within a species. No two humans are alike in ANY way.
Something cannot be fact and theory at the same time. It's still a theory for a reason.Heathen Dawn said:No, evolution is not at fault. Evolution is fact and theory; creationism is neither. The evidence screams evolution.
There have been hundreds of ape ike creatures that wnet extinct..all evolutionists had to do was organize them in the order of skull size and voila! You got evolution.The hominid fossils that trace our ancestry to ape-like ancestors.
Oh ok..so ur not gonna even go see the informaiton..here's ur 99% DNA myth of Ape and Men, dissovled: http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/article_99.htmlLoad of creationist quote-mining crapola.
We don't have the knowlewdge yet, but as humans, our knowledge always increases.Care to tell why the architect made us so similar to apes? So similar that we even have the same nonfunctional genes?
No stupid. That's the point, if evolution really existed, then we'd all still be microbes cuz thats them ost efficient life form. The fact that there is so much variety and art in the variety tells you otherwise. Just read what i have to show you instead of blidnly denying it. I do the effort to read on up on evolution, you do the same.Is evolution supposed to have every creature exactly the same? Goddess, this is the most blatant strawman of evolution Ive ever heard!
mo.mentum said:Something cannot be fact and theory at the same time. It's still a theory for a reason.
There have been hundreds of ape ike creatures that wnet extinct..all evolutionists had to do was organize them in the order of skull size and voila! You got evolution.
here's ur 99% DNA myth of Ape and Men, dissovled: http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/article_99.html
We don't have the knowlewdge yet, but as humans, our knowledge always increases.
No stupid. That's the point, if evolution really existed, then we'd all still be microbes cuz thats them ost efficient life form. The fact that there is so much variety and art in the variety tells you otherwise.
I do the effort to read on up on evolution, you do the same.
You get your info on evolution from creationist sources, which write everything from the preconceived position that evolution is false.
IronEagle said:If you get the info from creationist sources you will get creationist point of view, if you get the info from evolutionist you will get evolutionist point of view.
However, if you look at the both argument through facts than you will see the Darwins theory of evolution has not been proven, but it has been revised again and again to satisfy the new discoveries unlike theory of relativity and quantum mechanics.
Second, why only the Apes evolved to an intelligent animal? According to the random probability concept at least few other animals should have evolved with them to the human intelligence levels.
Third, there is no fossil record to support the claim of macro evolution. Otherwise, we would have found at least one record by now.
Forth, 2(nd) law of thermo dynamics doesnt support the development of a cell from non-living materials, even the survival of the first cell would be at risk without its survival and reproductive mechanisms. In other words, its survival and reproductive system must develop together if the first living cell has to carry on.
Namaste Lyle,Lyle said:That is nothing more then a REALLY weak arguement......
Well by Creationist, i suppose you mean the Biblical Genesis account? Not the Qur'anic account of Creation.Arikay said:Your Right.
Evolution does not disprove the theology of creation, matter of fact, they can walk hand in hand together.
However, evidence does disprove creationism, a scientific theory that says how god created. The evidence also supports evolution, a scientific theory that says how god created.
Pax Christi.Boss said:The wonders of the Qur'an never finishes.
Allah said in the Qur'an [41:53] :
'We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?'.
Here's another miracle mentioned in the Holy Quran fourteen centuries ago...
(Split of the moon)
[54:1] 'The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder (the people of Makkah requested Prophet Muhammad SAW to show them a miracle, so he showed them the splitting of the moon)'.
cleft = divided, split.
asunder = into two or more parts, into pieces.
The miracle existed only at that time for the people of Quraiesh when they challenged the prophet Muhammmad (SAW) to show them a miracle, or a proof that he is the messenger of Allah. The challenge was to split the moon in to two pieces when it is full.
The amazing and wonderful phenomenon of the splitting of the Moon when it was full was a manifest sign of the truth that the Resurrection, of which the Holy Prophet was giving them the news, could take place and that it had approached near at hand. The great sphere of the Moon had split into two distinct parts in front of their very eyes.
Then in an instant the two had rejoined. This was a manifest proof of the truth that the system of the Universe was neither eternal nor immortal it could be disrupted.
Itis widely known BBC showed a program where there was a debate between three experts.
The discussion was about if the amount of money paid by NASA to send a human to land on the surface of the moon to study the inner structure of the moon was worth it or not?? The American government authorised a budget of $100, 000, 000, 000 (one hundred thousand million dollar) for this project.
One of the discoveries of that project was that there is a layer of material that splits the moon into two halves and the only explanation to this discovery that the moon was split at some times in its history and rejoined !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you need more scientific proofs?!?!
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