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Before I respond to this, would you mind explaining some of the aspects of this Ghetto Culture, and point out some known black celebrities you know of that are a part of said culture? Also what of the black people who are not a part of this Ghetto culture; are they less black?
Okay; so when you speak of the Ghetto culture, you seem to be referring to what you spoke of earlier in another thread as the Chitlin culture; is that correct? My understanding of the chitlin culture is a culture that slaves adopted from the white supremacist culture of the slave masters of that time. You made the point that they faced restrictions within that culture because that culture being white supremacist and all.You know I've spoken at considerable length about this, but here are some links to my past posts:
American Descendants of Slavery and Our Chit'lin' Culture
American Descendants of Slavery and Our Chit'lin' Culture
American Descendants of Slavery and Our Chit'lin' Culture
American Descendants of Slavery and Our Chit'lin' Culture
American Descendants of Slavery and Our Chit'lin' Culture
then point to the system.I believe the problem is systemic so agree to disagree.
I don't know of this existing in my state so excuse my ignorance. Do they only take a portion of black people's income or do they do this with white people as well? With white people do they direct them to different areas than they direct black people?No, I'm saying it's two separate programs. Section 8 is a voucher that you can take anywhere a landlord will accept it. Highrise housing is government-owned highrise apartments that take a portion of your income like section 8 but it's state-funded, not federal. You often don't get a choice.
Don't mistake my retaliation for vengeance or hostility.You need to retaliate against me?
What in my comment on Asian preference in
skin tone calls for seeking vengeance?
I asked for a celebrity example in order to get an idea of what he was talking about. Personally I just don't think there is a single black culture in the US, black people (and white people) are far too diverse to have a single culture representing all of them. American culture is in a constant state of change, and often varies from state to state.RDKirk: "I also explained that when electronic media discovered black people in the late 60s, the media created and imposed "ghetto" as a new surface cultural meme that became the dominant concept of "black culture," and, yes, black people who have no reason by neighborhood or parentage to have adopted any of that "ghetto" culture yet have done so because electronic media informs them of what "being black" means.
One almost has to have been there to see it happen, because it was rapid enough to see within one lifetime. Our social direction (and our BMI) was changed between the 60s and the 80s."
I don't have RDKirk's perspective on all this, but rather than focus on celebrities, I would focus on what image was part of mass entertainment's menu of black-centered productions for mass network audiences in the time period he's talking about (including little white kids like me, who watched all of this, and am still fond of a lot of it).
Fat Albert and his gang played in a junkyard.
Sanford and Son was about a man who owned... a junkyard.
Good Times - set in the projects in inner-city Chicago
What's Happening? - set in Watts
And then you have the flipside, which plays a bit on fish-out-of-water
Diffrent Strokes: After their mother dies, two black kids (from Harlem! Trifecta!) are adopted by the rich white guy who employed their mom. (What about their dad? Trick question: black children have no fathers.)
The Jeffersons: Black man gets his start from a settlement from a bus accident to start a dry-cleaning business and 'move on up' to the East Side. You can almost hear the chitlin in the theme song...
Well we're movin' on up
To the east side
To a deluxe apartment in the sky
Movin' on up
To the east side
We finally got a piece of the pie
Fish don't fry in the kitchen
Beans don't burn on the grill
Took a whole lotta tryin'
Just to get up that hill
I asked for a celebrity example in order to get an idea of what he was talking about. Personally I just don't think there is a single black culture in the US,
It's a practice that began during segregation. It still goes on.then point to the system.
They take the same amount of income. I don't know what criteria they use to decide who goes where other than what is the first available or You can request a certain building and get on a waitlist.I don't know of this existing in my state so excuse my ignorance. Do they only take a portion of black people's income or do they do this with white people as well? With white people do they direct them to different areas than they direct black people?
Who tells electronic media what being black means? Who controls electronic media?Maybe not, but RDKirk was talking about "because electronic media informs them of what "being black" means"
I didn't ask about the practice, I asked about the system. During segregation, the practice was legal; now it is not. So where is the system?It's a practice that began during segregation. It still goes on.
If you don't have current information about who lives where, and don't know how things are shaking out now, you can't use this as an example of systemic racism.They take the same amount of income. I don't know what criteria they use to decide who goes where other than what is the first available or You can request a certain building and get on a waitlist.
There are no highrises that are 100% one group of people but people tend to group up in the buildings so it's just not always very integrated. There are inner-city highrises and a limited amount of suburban highrises. I don't have current information on who is living where. I just remember growing up, it was harder to get into one of the suburban buildings. I don't know how things are shaking out now.
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The systemic part is that it is a hangover from when it was legal. It doesn't have to be a racist law but it includes include racist practices.I didn't ask about the practice, I asked about the system. During segregation, the practice was legal; now it is not. So where is the system?
I was mostly just trying to point out how in many areas we are not integrating. There still seems to still be some segregation happening.If you don't have current information about who lives where, and don't know how things are shaking out now, you can't use this as an example of systemic racism.
How many blacks want to be white?How many white Boomers wanted to be mixed race?
Exactly.then point to the system.
The systemic part is that it is a hangover from when it was legal. It doesn't have to be a racist law but it includes include racist practices.
I was mostly just trying to point out how in many areas we are not integrating. There still seems to still be some segregation happening.
What practice still goes on and how is it systemic racism?It's a practice that began during segregation. It still goes on.
They take the same amount of income. I don't know what criteria they use to decide who goes where other than what is the first available or You can request a certain building and get on a waitlist.
There are no highrises that are 100% one group of people but people tend to group up in the buildings so it's just not always very integrated. There are inner-city highrises and a limited amount of suburban highrises. I don't have current information on who is living where. I just remember growing up, it was harder to get into one of the suburban buildings. I don't know how things are shaking out now.
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Who tells electronic media what being black means? Who controls electronic media?
Not sure why, works fine for me, you can just google "Some more news"
Is a cMcdonalds commercial systemic racism? I don't understand your point. Mcdonalds targets people of all color. Its about making money not oppressing anyoneIn the time period we're talking about, the network execs.
(and/or the advertisers)
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