Missing link was a lie

Nostromo · Mar 13, 2010

You're just avoiding the question. If the past worked differently that should be obvious from what remains of those past times.

You're getting even more ridiculous by invoking the future as some sort of evidence for your claims, as you can't possibly know either.

Face it dad, your idea is screwed.

dad · Mar 13, 2010

Nostromo said:
You're just avoiding the question. If the past worked differently that should be obvious from what remains of those past times.

You're getting even more ridiculous by invoking the future as some sort of evidence for your claims, as you can't possibly know either.

Face it dad, your idea is screwed.

No, the future is safe, thanks. The present is screwed though...really. The spiritual also states surround you. You are surrounded.The far past and the future, either one. The future is the key to the past. Not the present.

If we used to live a thousand years, but now live just 85, HOW would we determine that? If the fabric of the universe used to be different, how would we know merely by observing just the changed state, the present?

Nostromo · Mar 13, 2010

dad said:
If the fabric of the universe used to be different, how would we know merely by observing just the changed state, the present?

Well this is exactly what I'm asking you. If there's no reason to think the past might have been different, and no evidence that can support it, why hold that opinion or even put it forward as an idea?

"The past was different, but it looks exactly as if it were the same" is about as useless an idea as I can think of.

dad · Mar 14, 2010

Nostromo said:
Well this is exactly what I'm asking you. If there's no reason to think the past might have been different, and no evidence that can support it, why hold that opinion or even put it forward as an idea?

"The past was different, but it looks exactly as if it were the same" is about as useless an idea as I can think of.

Well this is exactly what I'm asking you. If there's no reason to think the past might have been the same, and no evidence that can support it, why hold that opinion or even put it forward as an idea?

"The past was different, but it looks exactly as if it were the same" is about as useless an idea as I can think of

The state of the past universe is unknown. Assuming it was the same has no value at all. They have used that to explain all things, but could just as easily use a different state past to do it. That way, they would not be denying the spiritual for no reason, and the creation, and bible, and history. Maybe they would have to get caught in lies so much either..

Nostromo · Mar 14, 2010

dad said:
If there's no reason to think the past might have been the same, and no evidence that can support it, why hold that opinion or even put it forward as an idea?

We can look out into space and see the past happening.

dad said:
The state of the past universe is unknown. Assuming it was the same has no value at all. They have used that to explain all things, but could just as easily use a different state past to do it.

If you assume a different state past and that such a past is unknown, you can't use it to explain anything. There can be no logical conclusions drawn from something we know nothing about.

dad said:
That way, they would not be denying the spiritual for no reason, and the creation, and bible, and history. Maybe they would have to get caught in lies so much either..

You believe it for no reason. Other people deny it because it doesn't match the evidence we have.

tanzanos · Mar 14, 2010

dad said:
Well, some may be surprised.

"A fossil that was celebrated last year as a possible "missing link" between humans and early primates is actually a forebearer of modern-day lemurs and lorises, according to two papers by scientists at The University of Texas at Austin, Duke University and the University of Chicago."
'Missing link' fossil was not human ancestor as claimed, anthropologists say

Ho hum. Kids, Isn't it time to not believe a lying word these dreamers say to begin with?

Do you know what "AS A POSSIBLE" means?

tanzanos · Mar 14, 2010

dad said:
Well this is exactly what I'm asking you. If there's no reason to think the past might have been the same, and no evidence that can support it, why hold that opinion or even put it forward as an idea?

Yes there is; they are known as constants! Do you have any idea about how the science works?

The state of the past universe is unknown. Assuming it was the same has no value at all. They have used that to explain all things, but could just as easily use a different state past to do it. That way, they would not be denying the spiritual for no reason, and the creation, and bible, and history. Maybe they would have to get caught in lies so much either..

Stop making things up! If I were to use your arguments then I could prove that God is not the only deity around and he certainly is not the most powerful. So DAD do your religion a service and avoid making such remarks that give Christianity a bad name!

dad · Mar 14, 2010

Nostromo said:
We can look out into space and see the past happening.

I wonder...

Maybe that would depend on how far we look? If we just look locally, like to the sun, tes, we have a little delay in the present state light getting here. However, for the same to be true far far away, you would need to prove that the far away universe is all in the same state. The more I look at the failure of you guys to do that simple little thing (at least so far) the more I doubt your whole trip.

If you assume a different state past and that such a past is unknown, you can't use it to explain anything.

It is known! The bible and history clue us in. It is merely unknown to present state science. Which isn't saying much, the poor little guys are not the brightest light on the past and future block, to say the least. More like the village idiot of Pastandfutureville!

There can be no logical conclusions drawn from something we know nothing about.

Not by the belief based anti god system of filtering all knowledge of the future and past, that has wrongly been referred to as science. They can do nothing but piddle in present state puddles. Pitiful, really.

You believe it for no reason. Other people deny it because it doesn't match the evidence we have.

The same state future is believed for no reason, as is the same state far past. None at all. I have reasons coming out the wazoo for the recorded past.

dad · Mar 14, 2010

tanzanos said:
Yes there is; they are known as constants! Do you have any idea about how the science works?

Yes. It dwells in the here and now, and concocts silly stories about the there and then, based on the here and now.

Stop making things up! If I were to use your arguments then I could prove that God is not the only deity around and he certainly is not the most powerful. So DAD do your religion a service and avoid making such remarks that give Christianity a bad name!

No need for making things up. I think He did OK for Himself down through the centuries, even long before science showed it's scrawny, misinformed little head!

Nostromo · Mar 14, 2010

dad said:
They can do nothing but piddle in present state puddles. Pitiful, really.

You're a very good troll, dad, I'll give you that.

BananaSlug · Mar 14, 2010

dad said:
You tell me, if we look at gold in a deposit, what will that tell us about transparent, see through gold in New Jerusalem? You would have to compare the two, I would think! What we see in rocks is how they came to exist in this present state, with decay, and etc.

Considering I don't believe in it, what's your point? Has it happened yet?

Let's look at that. Show us HOW it is dated?

The Egyptians kept records.

How do we know sin will be here then? If it isn't it won't be part of the choices!

So we won't have free will in Heaven? If God isn't going to give us the ability to choose sin in the New Jerusalem, why didn't he just skip the thousands of years of suffering and strife and not give Adam and Eve the choice to eat the fruit in the first place?

Hmm, I will have to look at that one. So Babylon never took stuff from Egypt? Something tells me you may be interpreting things here. We shall see.

So now we have an example of a failed prophecy. There are others in there as well.

Well, spiritual works are common. People get possessed, for example. People practice things occult. All sorts of spiritual influences. Getting some miracle doesn't mean God endorses all things of some sidebar religion. If some swami climbs a rope, that doesn't mean he is saved.

Yet there were eyewitnesses to Muhammad's miracles. I guess you are not as much in favor of eyewitness testimony now?

It doesn't specify they are to use the hindi one either. Fact is, we all know what one they use. I win.

But it is not the official national calendar.

The spiritual beings and gods living among men. Long lifespans.

Can you give me the specific religions and what religious writings they are mentioned in?

"The" verse?? What verse? There are many such verses. For example the one I mentioned about Jesus reading the scripture, and stopping mid sentence. ..Boom, time travel..the next phrase is thousands of years in the future. Doesn't take long to travel through time for the great 'I AM', now does it!?

Could you post the specific verse that mentions this time travel and how we know he is speaking of events thousands of years in the future?

Leave the fine tuning to those that believe a particular faith. Save your head from exploding.

Well could you answer the question? How could the Holy Spirit give two people wildly different interpretations of the same piece of scripture? Why do some Christians interpret Genesis as allegory and some Christians interpret Genesis as literal history? Which one is right and why do you believe that?

Well, you try to figure out what is actually known. That would be a new concept for a so called science indoctrinated person! Like culture shock.

What I actually know is that there is no reason to assume the physical laws of the past were different from the current laws. The explanation for the formation of pillow lava works no matter how old that pillow lava is. If pillow lava was formed differently in the "past state" (anywhere but underwater), could you provide what we should look for if it was formed differently in the past?

Cyrus was named long long before he was born. Daniel gave the years till Messiah would be cut off...etc. Israel was in captivity 70 years, the famine in Egypt lasted 7 years, etc.

What is the specific time?

?? If they are people, they simply need to ask for the free gift, like anyone else.

A free gift is not free if there is a stipulation for not accepting it.

Exial · Mar 14, 2010

I find his ramblings quite amusing.

I do find it sad that some people seemed to have wasted quite a lot of time arguing with him. He obviously does not listen to reason and his views seem quite unshakable.

Split Rock · Mar 14, 2010

Exial said:
I find his ramblings quite amusing.

I do find it sad that some people seemed to have wasted quite a lot of time arguing with him. He obviously does not listen to reason and his views seem quite unshakable.

Are you questioning the veracity of the statements of God's Little Echo??

dad · Mar 15, 2010

BananaSlug said:
Considering I don't believe in it, what's your point? Has it happened yet?

Point is that science cannot cover the spiritual. I don't believe in a present state in the far future, either. There sure is no proof for one.

The Egyptians kept records.

Talk to us about these records. Especially ones that relate to a point of discussion here.

So we won't have free will in Heaven? If God isn't going to give us the ability to choose sin in the New Jerusalem, why didn't he just skip the thousands of years of suffering and strife and not give Adam and Eve the choice to eat the fruit in the first place?

If the lesson is played out, for all the universes to see, maybe there will be no more need for it? If there is no sin, in the coming perfection, why would anyone need to agonize over choosing it? Maybe it will be a bit like death. There will be no more death for believers. So no one needs to decide whether to take their life or not. Makes sense.

So now we have an example of a failed prophecy. There are others in there as well.

Just because I haven't had time to look it up doesn't make it failed, in any way.

Yet there were eyewitnesses to Muhammad's miracles. I guess you are not as much in favor of eyewitness testimony now?

So what? Miracles are merely evidence of spiritual influence. Not good influence.

But it is not the official national calendar.

Long as it is the actual calendar that is used, I can live with that.

Can you give me the specific religions and what religious writings they are mentioned in?

Sumer and Egypt. Spirit beings abound there. Life spans are also longer, especially in Sumer, according to them.

Could you post the specific verse that mentions this time travel and how we know he is speaking of events thousands of years in the future?

They are almost the norm. Even in Gen 2, it flashes back to the past! To what was already done. The verse Jesus used part of was here

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Here is the place He quoted from. You can see that He stoppped mid sentence.

Isaiah 61:1-3 1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] good news to the afflicted; [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] He has sent me to bind [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] up the brokenhearted, To proclaim [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] liberty to captives And freedom [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] to prisoners; 2 To proclaim [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]the favorable year of the LORD And the day [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]of vengeance of our God; To comfort[SIZE=-1][/SIZE] all who mourn, 3 To grant [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] those who mourn in Zion, Giving them a garland instead of ashes, The oil [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] of gladness instead of mourning, The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting. So they will be called oaks [SIZE=-1][/SIZE] of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified. The rest is fulfilled when He comes in glory.

Well could you answer the question? How could the Holy Spirit give two people wildly different interpretations of the same piece of scripture? Why do some Christians interpret Genesis as allegory and some Christians interpret Genesis as literal history? Which one is right and why do you believe that?

Why do some not believe in miracles, some even in the virgin birth, and I think some not in a literal heaven..etc? It is belief, or unbelief, or degrees of belief.

What I actually know is that there is no reason to assume the physical laws of the past were different from the current laws.

What I actually know is that there is no reason to assume the physical laws of the past were here at all, persay?

The explanation for the formation of pillow lava works no matter how old that pillow lava is. If pillow lava was formed differently in the "past state" (anywhere but underwater), could you provide what we should look for if it was formed differently in the past?

Maybe. Can you show me some formed pre split?

What is the specific time?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

"a. After the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off: The Biblical term cut off is sometimes used to describe execution (see Genesis 9:11 and Exodus 31:14). The Messiah will be cut off for the sake of others, not for Himself.
i. "Able chronologists have shown that the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ occurred immediately after the expiration of 483 prophetic years, of 360 days each, from the time of Artaxerxes' order." (Ironside)"

http://www.studylight.org/com/guz/view.cgi?book=da&chapter=9&verse=26#Da9_26

Verse 25. From the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
The foregoing events being all accomplished by Jesus Christ, they of course determine the prophecy to him. And if we reckon back four hundred and ninety years, we shall find the time of the going forth of this command.
Most learned men agree that the death of Christ happened at the passover in the month Nisan, in the four thousand seven hundred and forty-sixth year of the Julian period. Four hundred and ninety years, reckoned back from the above year, leads us directly to the month Nisan in the four thousand two hundred and fifty-sixth year of the same period; the very month and year in which Ezra had his commission from Artaxerxes Longimanus, king of Persia, (see Ezra 7:9,) to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. See the commission in Ezra, Ezra 7:11-26, and Prideaux's Connexions, vol. ii. p. 380.

Daniel - Chapter 9 - Adam Clarke Commentary on StudyLight.org

A free gift is not free if there is a stipulation for not accepting it.

It is free for the receiving. But not forced on all against their...you guessed it, free will.

dad · Mar 15, 2010

Exial said:
I find his ramblings quite amusing.

I do find it sad that some people seemed to have wasted quite a lot of time arguing with him. He obviously does not listen to reason and his views seem quite unshakable.

The idea is that I shake your views..

tanzanos · Mar 15, 2010

dad said:
Point is that science cannot cover the spiritual. I don't believe in a present state in the far future, either. There sure is no proof for one.

There is no need for science to cover the spiritual simply because it (spiritualism) is not science based unless one delves in the field of psychology.

You would not recognise scientific proof even if it was presented to you by all the academia in the world!

dad · Mar 15, 2010

tanzanos said:
There is no need for science to cover the spiritual simply because it (spiritualism) is not science based unless one delves in the field of psychology.

Let's get this straight. Science doesn't cover it, because it isn't something science can cover. OK. I tend to agree.

You would not recognise scientific proof even if it was presented to you by all the academia in the world!

You think science is about proof??! Get out more.

Tomatoman · Mar 15, 2010

dad:

The idea is that I shake your views..

If that's your aim you are failing miserably. I, however, don't believe that this is your aim. In order to shake someone's views you have to do more than post moronic gibberish. I like to think the best of people, so I believe you have a different aim for which moronic gibberish is essential. I believe your aim is to prove that you are an imbecile. I have to admit you are succeeding magnificently, dad.

BananaSlug · Mar 15, 2010

dad said:
Point is that science cannot cover the spiritual. I don't believe in a present state in the far future, either. There sure is no proof for one.

There is no proof for a different state future either.

Talk to us about these records. Especially ones that relate to a point of discussion here.

The Egyptian Old Kingdom.
The Egyptian Old Kingdom, Sumer and Akkad

If the lesson is played out, for all the universes to see, maybe there will be no more need for it? If there is no sin, in the coming perfection, why would anyone need to agonize over choosing it? Maybe it will be a bit like death. There will be no more death for believers. So no one needs to decide whether to take their life or not. Makes sense.

If God isn't going to give us the ability to choose sin in the New Jerusalem, why didn't he just skip the thousands of years of suffering and strife and not give Adam and Eve the choice to eat the fruit in the first place?

Just because I haven't had time to look it up doesn't make it failed, in any way.

I'll give you some time.

So what? Miracles are merely evidence of spiritual influence. Not good influence.

And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? [24] And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. [26] And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Mark 3:23-26

Sumer and Egypt. Spirit beings abound there. Life spans are also longer, especially in Sumer, according to them.

Could you mention the religious writings they are mentioned in?

They are almost the norm. Even in Gen 2, it flashes back to the past! To what was already done. The verse Jesus used part of was here

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Here is the place He quoted from. You can see that He stoppped mid sentence.

Isaiah 61:1-3 1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; 2 To proclaim the favorable year of the LORD And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, 3 To grant those who mourn in Zion, Giving them a garland instead of ashes, The oil of gladness instead of mourning, The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting. So they will be called oaks of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified. The rest is fulfilled when He comes in glory.

And how is that fulfilling scripture?

Why do some not believe in miracles, some even in the virgin birth, and I think some not in a literal heaven..etc? It is belief, or unbelief, or degrees of belief.

That was not the question though. Two Christians read Genesis 1. One Christians claims it is meant to be literal. The other Christians claims it is meant to be allegorical. Both claim inspiration from God. Who is right?

What I actually know is that there is no reason to assume the physical laws of the past were here at all, persay?

Answer me this, is there any physical evidence that would show the physical laws of the past were different from now?

Maybe. Can you show me some formed pre split?

Meshach · Mar 15, 2010

Tomatoman said:
dad:

. I like to think the best of people, so I believe you have a different aim for which moronic gibberish is essential. I believe your aim is to prove that you are an imbecile. I have to admit you are succeeding magnificently, dad.

, thanks for the laugh, tears are actually streaming down my face from laughter and my gut hurts right now

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