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My friend it’s because Catholic mindfulness natural encompasses sacramental theology.
Yes, mindfulness is awareness. Now what are we aware of ? What does it mean to usAre we going to say something like this: mindfulness of one's environment is neutral mindfulness, whereas mindfulness of one's environment as the creation and revelation of God is a form of Christian prayer?
I agree and my guess is he was making a distinction between prayer and mindfulness as maybe how focused your attention should be to relax your brain so it can rest and gather itself in our hectic world we live in. But saying that at least within our study group and maintaining a catholic understanding of the universe both physically and spiritually we go in with the understanding that God is not only with us but He is omnipresent. And also to repeat, creation itself being sacramental without allowing any pagan teaching to creep it. So I hope that makes sense.Your exchange points to an important question. In the video you posted--which was very constructive--the author distinguishes between mindfulness and prayer. I probably agree with him, but he never defined prayer.
Are we going to say something like this: mindfulness of one's environment is neutral mindfulness, whereas mindfulness of one's environment as the creation and revelation of God is a form of Christian prayer? That distinction between mindfulness and distinctively Christian prayer is going to be at the heart of many of these disagreements.
How and why did we let Buddhism secular methods claim Mindfulness?
When I say "we" I mean Christianity.
Vigilance, wait for the Lord, Keep watch, our Christian lives have an inner dimension as well as outer active dimension. We begin with scripture, Lectio or even just gazing at the beauty of nature. Psalm 62:5-6 "My soul, wait in silence for God only, For my hope is from Him. He only is my rock and my salvation, My stronghold; I shall not be shaken."
Perhaps Mindfulness is incompatible with Christian spirituality in that it calls for nonjudgmental acceptance of the thoughts and feelings that come and go. One just sits there observing until stillness comes.
Brain scientists tell us that the brain has 2 modes: Self referential and other referential. Self referential involves our default Mode Network with its ruminations and thoughts of past and future. Other referential is a more attentive to what is happening. Self referential can result in all our worry and sadness. Other referential brings relief. If our "Other" is the ineffable presence of God it can also be prayer.
But we seem skeptical and wary of anything that is associated with non-Christian tradition.
I think mindfulness is within the Judeo-Christian tradition but is alike a stepchild we feel free to ignore. But it seems to me that awareness of God's presence requires attentiveness without the distraction of our own ruminations.
I claim "Mindfulness" Christian requirement.
Mindfulness 'letting go of" maybe can be viewed as casting down and bringing into captivity because we do not get entangled in them.
When I come to some inner stillness it is for me an intimacy with God rather than "emptiness".
From time to time I like to read St Bonaventure's Itinerarium:
"So it follows that, by the act of observing, the mind transcends and passes beyond not only the perceivable world, but equally its own self: and Christ is the way and the gate through which this transcendence is achieved, Christ is the ladder and the vehicle...
"If this transcendence is to be perfect, all intellectual activity should be relinquished and the entire apex of affection be transferred to and transformed into God.
http://faculty.uml.edu/rinnis/45.304 God and Philosophy/ITINERARIUM.pdf
This for me is refreshing. Some of us need the inner silence, inner stillness to just observe, rest and let Christ do what he will do. And sometimes that seems to be nothing...boring.
Life is not bout being a perfect world for me. It is not all about me. My life in time is the unfolding of God's will and plan. My ego may not always like it.
I can understand that. And I don't think it is for everyone. Entering inter into your own head and thoughts can be a wild ride for anyone. I think also what few people tell us, at least my own experience is that is that even skilled meditators spend most of the sitting in meditation is making the journey through thoughts to stillness. And then it goes in cycles. Like 30 minutes will be maybe a total of 5 in stillness that comes and goes. The rest is thoughts and images. That is why, for me it is prayer. The thoughts and images are from my tradition.I hate this technique. Why? Because, I just don't get it.
Sounds like the temptation of the devil offered to Eve, packaged in a Roman Catholic version of eastern, pagan religious thought.
I can understand that. And I don't think it is for everyone. Entering inter into your own head and thoughts can be a wild ride for anyone. I think also what few people tell us, at least my own experience is that is that even skilled meditators spend most of the sitting in meditation is making the journey through thoughts to stillness. And then it goes in cycles. Like 30 minutes will be maybe a total of 5 in stillness that comes and goes. The rest is thoughts and images. That is why, for me it is prayer. The thoughts and images are from my tradition.
Yeah like I get the basic idea. You accept that things are going to happen to you and you "live in the moment and not in the future."
It's the living in the moment part that I don't get if I remember right I haven't had to go away in several years. But I think that's what I find hard when my brain isn't working right. Like well in the present moment I have all these racing thoughts in my head, I'm scared to death, and I'm having intrusive thoughts and stuff. I can't live in the moment or I'll be here forever and never get out".
I get that these things happen because my brain is messed up lets say. But, I can't accept that they're still happening every time you have to "go away for a while" you're afraid of being put there permanently like happens sometimes and when you're married or have a family to go back to you don't want to never see them again or even worse understand that they're there or really there or even worse who they are.
But this is like telling a Schizophrenic "it's okay that things are happening to you. Don't be afraid." How many Schizophrenics do you know that are actually calm during an episode? I'll tell you, a majority of people in a mental hospital are NOT calm. Many of us have freakouts and can't calm down. I've seen people attack nurses and doctors that work there and I have attacked nurses before.
There was one time when I was in Utica and there was this schizophrenic there that I became friends with for my whole stay there. Constantly everyday he would freak out and the nurses would try to calm him down with all of these "techniques" that are supposed to calm people like us down and not one of them worked and he would shout and carry on and it was just really sad to watch.
I mean, a majority of us believe in God (sometimes we even believe we are God. Oops. lol) so they are like "okay so you're eternally secure and you have nothing to worry about because you trust Jesus." and we are like "We know that in our hearts but we are still freaking out and afraid." Or like this one guy who shared my name "I love Jesus and I'm eternally his and I'm going to spend eternity with him." I only got to meet him for like 5 minutes because I was in the middle of being released but, I wish I could have been like him because he just loved Jesus so much.
Honestly at hospitals I wish they would just give us our antipsychotics and some sleeping pills and let us sleep for a week or two until we're better. Because every person that has to stay at a hospital whether its for mental reasons or health reasons, just wants to go home lol. That should be doctors end goal. Not "lets try these brand new mental techniques that sometimes don't even work on the sane let alone the insane and treat them like lab monkeys." Idk.
Living in the present moment, doesn't mean you're going anywhere, but where you are now
Yes, but this is exactly what many people find so difficult, sustaining focuses on the right now. Too many other thoughts begin to intrude. For most of us it is a discipline we practice and get better at it. It could be that for some people there is too much else going on for any number of reasons.
Yeah like I get the basic idea. You accept that things are going to happen to you and you "live in the moment and not in the future."
Yes, but this is exactly what many people find so difficult, sustaining focuses on the right now. Too many other thoughts begin to intrude. For most of us it is a discipline we practice and get better at it. It could be that for some people there is too much else going on for any number of reasons.
Entering into mindfulness in prayer might be related to a specific kind of prayer. In particular, prayers of praise to God rather than prayers of petition.
There is certainly place for both--we should certainly be making petitions for what we need, as Jesus and the apostles instruct.
But in the Psalms we see prayers of pure praise, prayers absent of any requests, prayers that concentrate fully on who God is and what God has already accomplished. Those are prayers that are the release of self in the acknowledgement of Him, and are, I think, what Christian mindfulness should be about.
I agree and my guess is he was making a distinction between prayer and mindfulness as maybe how focused your attention should be to relax your brain so it can rest and gather itself in our hectic world we live in.
Yeah like I get the basic idea. You accept that things are going to happen to you and you "live in the moment and not in the future."
Like well in the present moment I have all these racing thoughts in my head, I'm scared to death, and I'm having intrusive thoughts and stuff. I can't live in the moment or I'll be here forever and never get out".
But this is like telling a Schizophrenic "it's okay that things are happening to you. Don't be afraid." How many Schizophrenics do you know that are actually calm during an episode? I'll tell you, a majority of people in a mental hospital are NOT calm. Many of us have freakouts and can't calm down. I've seen people attack nurses and doctors that work there and I have attacked nurses before.
I mean, a majority of us believe in God (sometimes we even believe we are God. Oops. lol) so they are like "okay so you're eternally secure and you have nothing to worry about because you trust Jesus." and we are like "We know that in our hearts but we are still freaking out and afraid." Or like this one guy who shared my name "I love Jesus and I'm eternally his and I'm going to spend eternity with him." I only got to meet him for like 5 minutes because I was in the middle of being released but, I wish I could have been like him because he just loved Jesus so much.
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