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<blockquote data-quote="straykat" data-source="post: 74546326" data-attributes="member: 408922"><p>"Pious frauds" are usually ascribed to apocryphal writings and things of similar shaky origins. Not bishops of entire cosmopolitan cities, out in full view. Perhaps we should take a cue from the resident atheist here, and use Occam's Razor. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> What's easier to believe? That they simply kept records of such a public office.. or that they schemed for some arbitrary reason (I know not what). We even have writings from his earliest successors (St. Clement), and know the names of the bishops of Rome further on (Aristus, Alexander, etc), and then later witnesses in the 2nd century attesting that they all held Peter's office (Irenaeus, Tertullian). Even the Orthodox, who don't agree with Rome, still acknowledge succession from Peter. Why would they themselves partake in a pious fraud that doesn't benefit them at all? If they could, they'd invalidate Rome. It'd make things so much easier. But they don't.</p><p></p><p>And if St. Clement was a liar, then why was he did get martyred? A man of dubious origins would have likely recanted under duress. Instead he got tossed into the Black Sea, tied to an anchor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="straykat, post: 74546326, member: 408922"] "Pious frauds" are usually ascribed to apocryphal writings and things of similar shaky origins. Not bishops of entire cosmopolitan cities, out in full view. Perhaps we should take a cue from the resident atheist here, and use Occam's Razor. :p What's easier to believe? That they simply kept records of such a public office.. or that they schemed for some arbitrary reason (I know not what). We even have writings from his earliest successors (St. Clement), and know the names of the bishops of Rome further on (Aristus, Alexander, etc), and then later witnesses in the 2nd century attesting that they all held Peter's office (Irenaeus, Tertullian). Even the Orthodox, who don't agree with Rome, still acknowledge succession from Peter. Why would they themselves partake in a pious fraud that doesn't benefit them at all? If they could, they'd invalidate Rome. It'd make things so much easier. But they don't. And if St. Clement was a liar, then why was he did get martyred? A man of dubious origins would have likely recanted under duress. Instead he got tossed into the Black Sea, tied to an anchor. [/QUOTE]
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