Mid-Acts Dispensationalists

[Iosias]

I was just wondering if there are any Mid-Acts dispensationalists around?

 

[Dispy]

yes!!!

 

[Iosias]

What resources would you suggest to look at?

 

[ptomwebster]

I was just wondering if there are any Mid-Acts dispensationalists around?

One dispensation does end one day and the next start the next day but one slowly ends as the new one begins. Grace began at Calvary and was if full by the end of Acts. The same will be true as we change from Grace to Judgment. That change, I believe, has started.

 

[Dispy]

What resources would you suggest to look at?

For a good web site Google Berean Bible Society, and Grace alive.

An excellent book is "Things That Differ", by Pastor C.R Stam, founder and past president of the Berean Bible Society. The book can be ordered from the Berean Bible Society web site, along with other excellent books.

"The MYSTERY" by pastor Joel Finck is also excellent. It can be ordered by google from Parsons Publishing.

If you will e-mail you address I will send you a copy at my expense.

 

[Danoh]

Try this site; simple but well laid out arguements for Mid Acts Perspective (Acts 9), as well, in light of other views against:

http://graceambassadors.com/


Danoh
Eph. 4:16

 

[Dispy]

One dispensation does end one day and the next start the next day but one slowly ends as the new one begins. Grace began at Calvary and was if full by the end of Acts. The same will be true as we change from Grace to Judgment. That change, I believe, has started.

Grace began with the fall of Adam. At that time God gave Adam a means by which he could be reconciled back to Him. He gave him the knowledge of good and evil, and a conscience to know the difference.

Salvation was always based upon believing/doing what God required at that point in time of human history.

 

[Biblewriter]

I am just wondering why it makes so much difference to some people exactly when "the disciples" became "the church."

 

[Dispy]

I am just wondering why it makes so much difference to some people exactly when "the disciples" became "the church."

Don't believe that the disciples of Jesus were members of the Church, the Body of Christ. They were members of the kingdom Church will have a place in the earthly kingdom, but not in the eternal heavenly home that the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, will have. (see 2 Cor. 5:1, Phil. 3:20).

 

[ptomwebster]

Grace began with the fall of Adam. At that time God gave Adam a means by which he could be reconciled back to Him. He gave him the knowledge of good and evil, and a conscience to know the difference.

Salvation was always based upon believing/doing what God required at that point in time of human history.

The Dispensation of Grace did not begin with Adam.

 

[PastorTeacher]

The Dispensation of Grace did not begin with Adam.

This is a common theme amongst dispensationalist, when what age started and ended. Same with how many dispensations there are. It will be a topic that will never be solidified.

 

[Dispy]

Grace began with the fall of Adam. At that time God gave Adam a means by which he could be reconciled back to Him. He gave him the knowledge of good and evil, and a conscience to know the difference.

Salvation was always based upon believing/doing what God required at that point in time of human history.

The Dispensation of Grace did not begin with Adam.

Don't believe that I said that the "dispensation of Grace", as revealed to Paul, began at Adam. I stated where we first learn of God Grace.

Yes, I do believe that this present dispensation of Grace, as opposed to the dispensation of the Law, began with the raising up of Saul/Paul.

 

[Biblewriter]

Don't believe that the disciples of Jesus were members of the Church, the Body of Christ. They were members of the kingdom Church will have a place in the earthly kingdom, but not in the eternal heavenly home that the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, will have. (see 2 Cor. 5:1, Phil. 3:20).

You did not answer my question. Why do you think this is so important?

 

[Dispy]

Don't believe that the disciples of Jesus were members of the Church, the Body of Christ. They were members of the kingdom Church will have a place in the earthly kingdom, but not in the eternal heavenly home that the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, will have. (see 2 Cor. 5:1, Phil. 3:20).

You did not answer my question. Why do you think this is so important?

I firmly believe that if one does not understand the differences between Law and Grace, one cannot rightly divide the Word of truth. Law and Grace are opposing doctrines, and should never be mixed.

 

[Biblewriter]

I firmly believe that if one does not understand the differences between Law and Grace, one cannot rightly divide the Word of truth. Law and Grace are opposing doctrines, and should never be mixed.

I do not know of even one Dispensationalist who mixes them.

 

[PastorTeacher]

I do not know of even one Dispensationalist who mixes them.

Almost everyone that is coming out of Dallas Theological Seminary currently I would presume as DTS now teaches a combination of both Grace and Law and the Church and Israel.

 

[ptomwebster]

I firmly believe that if one does not understand the differences between Law and Grace, one cannot rightly divide the Word of truth. Law and Grace are opposing doctrines, and should never be mixed.

That is not what the OP is about. If you want to talk about " Law and Grace" start your own topic.

 

[Dispy]

I do not know of even one Dispensationalist who mixes them.

Most Acts 2 dispensationalists do mix them.

They claim that Acts 2 is the start of the Church, the Body of Christ, Jew and Gentile on equal footing, without distinction, and not under the Law. Yet, they can not show that Church at Pentecost. At Pentecost there were only Jews and proselytes present.

Most denominational preachers teach the doctrine of men. A mixture of Law and Grace taught as the same gospel.

 

[Dispy]

That is not what the OP is about. If you want to talk about " Law and Grace" start your own topic.

I was only responding to someone that responded to what I had posted.

 

[josephearl]

Don't believe that the disciples of Jesus were members of the Church, the Body of Christ. They were members of the kingdom Church will have a place in the earthly kingdom, but not in the eternal heavenly home that the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, will have. (see 2 Cor. 5:1, Phil. 3:20).

I think that is a virtual impossibility. They are the first ones to partake of the body and blood of Christ which is a symbol of what? Unity and identification with Christ. The first 12 apostles are the foundation stones of the wall of the New Jerusalem. Surely that means something!

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:14, NASB95)

You are twisting these following scriptures to say something the author never intended.

“For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.” (2 Corinthians 5:1, NASB95)

“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;” (Philippians 3:20, NASB95)