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Michigan Anti-Evolution Bill
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<blockquote data-quote="lucaspa" data-source="post: 892617" data-attributes="member: 4882"><p>Science has ALWAYS dealt with fact and some facts cannot be challenged. For instance, you cannot challenge that the earth is NOT flat, can you?</p><p></p><p>The problem is that freedom has limits. Your freedom of speech does not cover lies. We have laws against perjury, slander, and libel -- all are different forms of lying. Christians don't have the freedom to lie, either. Remember the 9th Commandment.</p><p></p><p>Saying that ID is a VALID scientific theory is a lie. Just like saying flat earth is a valid scientific theory is a lie. Both are falsified theories. Therefore you don't have the freedom to commit perjury (or false witness if you believe in the Bible).</p><p></p><p>There is also the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. There is no secular reason to teach a falsified scientific theory as tho it is valid. The ONLY reason to do so is to promote a particular form of religion. Therefore the Michigan bill is designed to promote a particular religion, and that is forbidden by the Constitution.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>It is easy to disprove ID. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt.</p><p></p><p>However, we don't have the luxury of time to teach every falsified theory as valid and then teach how it has been falsified. Simply isn't enough classroom time. </p><p></p><p>As for science welcoming it, just how many times do we have to re-purchase the same real estate? Time is also precious to us, and we have better ways of spending our time than re-falsifying a theory that has been falsified thousands of times before.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Theories don't work this way. Theories have to accord with the physical universe. They cannot simply be out there as valid without the support of data.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are right, science emphatically does NOT say God does not exist. Science is agnostic toward all forms of deity.</p><p></p><p>Science is not "afraid", but rather does not want to see untruth marketed as truth. Why would we want that? Why would YOU want that?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lucaspa, post: 892617, member: 4882"] Science has ALWAYS dealt with fact and some facts cannot be challenged. For instance, you cannot challenge that the earth is NOT flat, can you? The problem is that freedom has limits. Your freedom of speech does not cover lies. We have laws against perjury, slander, and libel -- all are different forms of lying. Christians don't have the freedom to lie, either. Remember the 9th Commandment. Saying that ID is a VALID scientific theory is a lie. Just like saying flat earth is a valid scientific theory is a lie. Both are falsified theories. Therefore you don't have the freedom to commit perjury (or false witness if you believe in the Bible). There is also the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. There is no secular reason to teach a falsified scientific theory as tho it is valid. The ONLY reason to do so is to promote a particular form of religion. Therefore the Michigan bill is designed to promote a particular religion, and that is forbidden by the Constitution. It is easy to disprove ID. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. However, we don't have the luxury of time to teach every falsified theory as valid and then teach how it has been falsified. Simply isn't enough classroom time. As for science welcoming it, just how many times do we have to re-purchase the same real estate? Time is also precious to us, and we have better ways of spending our time than re-falsifying a theory that has been falsified thousands of times before. Theories don't work this way. Theories have to accord with the physical universe. They cannot simply be out there as valid without the support of data. You are right, science emphatically does NOT say God does not exist. Science is agnostic toward all forms of deity. Science is not "afraid", but rather does not want to see untruth marketed as truth. Why would we want that? Why would YOU want that? [/QUOTE]
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