Michael Shall Stand up for the People of Israel - The HOLY People

[Lulav]

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.​

WHEN Will this happen? The two attending Angels asked Michael

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;
and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
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This last part intrigued me.

Questions that need answering:

1. Who is 'he'?
2. What does 'scatter' means?
3. What is the power they possess?
4. Who are the Holy People?

Let's try and answer them

1. I'm thinking the adversary
2. Scatter used in the Bible can mean to strew about or abroad like when Israel was scattered among the nations. Also means to disperse.
3. This word used is 'yad', yes, like hand or the pointer used in Torah reading. It can also mean authority as in

Behold, thy maid [is] in thy hand;
and
submit yourself to her authority.​

4. Since we are speaking of Michael who is the prince of the people of Daniel, Israel, then it has to be Israel.

So the question remains,

What is the power or authority that they have that is 'scattered'?

Does it have anything to do with Rev 12?

…15 Then from the mouth of the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away in the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​

A few other versions:

NAS: [a [time]; and as soon as they finish shattering the power
KJV: and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power
INT: finish shattering the power people

This word 'shattered' was also used in Genesis 9:19 regarding the scattering of the people after the confusion of the languages.

NAS: the whole earth was populated.
KJV: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
INT: of Noah these was populated the whole earth

 

[pinacled]

Ignore the enemies devices of bitter water.

When Michael stands and roars.

There will be no doubt.

 

[HARK!]

Here are some translations from the Concordant Literal Version:


(CLV) Dn 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen who is above the waters of the waterway: Until the era of the end. Then he raised up his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by Him Who is living for the eon, that it is for an appointed time, two appointed times and half an appointed time. And when the shattering of the hand of the holy people is concluded, then all these things shall have their conclusion.

H5310 נַפֵּץ to-shatter-of

From Genesis 9:19

H5310 נָפְצָה she-is-scattered-(over)

 

[pinacled]

Here are some translations from the Concordant Literal Version:


(CLV) Dn 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen who is above the waters of the waterway: Until the era of the end. Then he raised up his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by Him Who is living for the eon, that it is for an appointed time, two appointed times and half an appointed time. And when the shattering of the hand of the holy people is concluded, then all these things shall have their conclusion.

H5310 נַפֵּץ to-shatter-of

From Genesis 9:19

H5310 נָפְצָה she-is-scattered-(over)

Wrong.
A bitter water is voice of deceit.
A foul blood stained history of unforgivable murder.

One that is known as a labeling who're rooted on a certain mountain.

She is harlot that defies all that is Holy and tells her children every transgression is forgivable.

She knows nothing about keeping her mouth shut.

Instead of respecting those who adhere to life between man woman.

Behave youngin

 

[HARK!]

Does it have anything to do with Rev 12?
…15 Then from the mouth of the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away in the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

These guys do, in my opinion, outstanding research on the topics they cover. They just happened to cover this one, in one of their Solomon's Gold Series.

The first part of the video reads off chapter 12. They begin presenting evidence, right after the 8:39 mark. I'm rewatching it now.

 

[Lulav]

I'm not sure I follow that , it seems he is saying that Israel is not the Jewish people or the Holy people in answer to my OP?

 

[Lulav]

Ignore the enemies devices of bitter water.

When Michael stands and roars.

There will be no doubt.

Are you referring to this?

16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth.

 

[pinacled]

Are you referring to this?

16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth.

The dragons mouth is a bitter water and well from its heart that flows in a single direction of hate.

Hate for the earth and the Blessing of promised inheritance.

 

[HARK!]

I'm not sure I follow that , it seems he is saying that Israel is not the Jewish people or the Holy people in answer to my OP?

I'm not sure if this post is directed toward the God Culture video.

If so, I wasn't aware that the narrator mentioned anything of the sort in this video. Last night I went through 5 of the videos which cover this aspect of this series; but unfortunately, i didn't find the connection between Revelation and Daniel that you were looking for.

That said, from all that I can tell, The God Culture believes that Israel are Yahudim; They're in the Philippines right now, seeking out the lost tribes, to rally them to Torah and Messiah. After that, they have plans to seek them out in Kurdistan and Central Africa.

 

[pinacled]

I'm not sure if this post is directed toward the God Culture video.

If so, I wasn't aware that the narrator mentioned anything of the sort in this video. Last night I went through 5 of the videos which cover this aspect of this series; but unfortunately, i didn't find the connection between Revelation and Daniel that you were looking for.

That said, from all that I can tell, The God Culture believes that Israel are Yahudim; They're in the Philippines right now, seeking out the lost tribes, to rally them to Torah and Messiah. After that, they have plans to seek them out in Kurdistan and Central Africa.

How many lost tribes are there?

 

[Lulav]

I'm not sure if this post is directed toward the God Culture video.

If so, I wasn't aware that the narrator mentioned anything of the sort in this video. Last night I went through 5 of the videos which cover this aspect of this series; but unfortunately, i didn't find the connection between Revelation and Daniel that you were looking for.

That said, from all that I can tell, The God Culture believes that Israel are Yahudim; They're in the Philippines right now, seeking out the lost tribes, to rally them to Torah and Messiah. After that, they have plans to seek them out in Kurdistan and Central Africa.

Yes it was, sorry I didn't quote you. It was just a feeling I got from some of the things he said. While some of the things he did say were interesting i really don't like listening to some one (and I think I've watched his videos before) that seem to be 'talking' to nay sayers, kwim? And it comes off as superior and not really humble. .

Anyway we should get back to the OP, I'm still interested in discussing this:

and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
This last part intrigued me.


Questions that need answering:

1. Who is 'he'?
2. What does 'scatter' means?
3. What is the power they possess?
4. Who are the Holy People?

I'll try and answer them But I'd love to hear others interpretations

1. I'm thinking the adversary
2. Scatter used in the Bible can mean to strew about or abroad like when Israel was scattered among the nations. Also means to disperse.
3. This word used is 'yad', yes, like hand or the pointer used in Torah reading. It can also mean authority as in

Behold, thy maid [is] in thy hand;
and
submit yourself to her authority.​

4. Since we are speaking of Michael who is the prince of the people of Daniel, Israel, then it has to be Israel.

So the question remains,

What is the power or authority that they have that is 'scattered'?

A few other versions:

NAS: [a [time]; and as soon as they finish shattering the power
KJV: and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power
INT: finish shattering the power people

This word 'shattered' was also used in Genesis 9:19 regarding the scattering of the people after the confusion of the languages.

NAS: the whole earth was populated.
KJV: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
INT: of Noah these was populated the whole earth

 

[HARK!]

and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Possibilities:

(CLV) 1Co 15:24
thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.

 

[Lulav]

Possibilities:

(CLV) 1Co 15:24
thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.

Are you suggesting the 'he' is Yeshua?

 

[HARK!]

Are you suggesting the 'he' is Yeshua?

In verse 2 the sleeping have awoken.

and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.



(CLV) 1Co 15:24
thereafter the consummation (marriage), whenever (even) He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.

(CLV) 1Co 15:28
Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

 

[pinacled]

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.​

WHEN Will this happen? The two attending Angels asked Michael

5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;
and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
​

This last part intrigued me.

Questions that need answering:

1. Who is 'he'?
2. What does 'scatter' means?
3. What is the power they possess?
4. Who are the Holy People?

Let's try and answer them

1. I'm thinking the adversary
2. Scatter used in the Bible can mean to strew about or abroad like when Israel was scattered among the nations. Also means to disperse.
3. This word used is 'yad', yes, like hand or the pointer used in Torah reading. It can also mean authority as in

Behold, thy maid [is] in thy hand;
and
submit yourself to her authority.​

4. Since we are speaking of Michael who is the prince of the people of Daniel, Israel, then it has to be Israel.

So the question remains,

What is the power or authority that they have that is 'scattered'?

Does it have anything to do with Rev 12?

…15 Then from the mouth of the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away in the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon’s mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.​

A few other versions:

NAS: [a [time]; and as soon as they finish shattering the power
KJV: and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power
INT: finish shattering the power people

This word 'shattered' was also used in Genesis 9:19 regarding the scattering of the people after the confusion of the languages.

NAS: the whole earth was populated.
KJV: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
INT: of Noah these was populated the whole earth

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וּבָעֵ֣ת הַהִיא֩ יַעֲמֹ֨ד מִֽיכָאֵ֜ל הַשַּׂ֣ר הַגָּד֗וֹל הָעֹמֵד֮ עַל־בְּנֵ֣י עַמֶּךָ֒ וְהָיְתָה֙ עֵ֣ת צָרָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֤ר לֹֽא־נִהְיְתָה֙ מִֽהְי֣וֹת גּ֔וֹי עַ֖ד הָעֵ֣ת הַהִ֑יא וּבָעֵ֤ת הַהִיא֙ יִמָּלֵ֣ט עַמְּךָ֔ כָּל־הַנִּמְצָ֖א כָּת֥וּב בַּסֵּֽפֶר׃

“At that time, the great prince, Michael, who stands beside the sons of your people, will appear. It will be a time of trouble, the like of which has never been since the nation came into being. At that time, your people will be rescued, all who are found inscribed in the book.


וְרַבִּ֕ים מִיְּשֵׁנֵ֥י אַדְמַת־עָפָ֖ר יָקִ֑יצוּ אֵ֚לֶּה לְחַיֵּ֣י עוֹלָ֔ם וְאֵ֥לֶּה לַחֲרָפ֖וֹת לְדִרְא֥וֹן עוֹלָֽם׃ (ס)

Many of those that sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to eternal life, others to reproaches, to everlasting abhorrence.


וְהַ֨מַּשְׂכִּלִ֔ים יַזְהִ֖רוּ כְּזֹ֣הַר הָרָקִ֑יעַ וּמַצְדִּיקֵי֙ הָֽרַבִּ֔ים כַּכּוֹכָבִ֖ים לְעוֹלָ֥ם וָעֶֽד׃ (פ)

And the knowledgeable will be radiant like the bright expanse of sky, and those who lead the many to righteousness will be like the stars forever and ever.


וְאַתָּ֣ה דָֽנִיֵּ֗אל סְתֹ֧ם הַדְּבָרִ֛ים וַחֲתֹ֥ם הַסֵּ֖פֶר עַד־עֵ֣ת קֵ֑ץ יְשֹׁטְט֥וּ רַבִּ֖ים וְתִרְבֶּ֥ה הַדָּֽעַת׃

“But you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will range far and wide and knowledge will increase.”


וְרָאִ֙יתִי֙ אֲנִ֣י דָנִיֵּ֔אל וְהִנֵּ֛ה שְׁנַ֥יִם אֲחֵרִ֖ים עֹמְדִ֑ים אֶחָ֥ד הֵ֙נָּה֙ לִשְׂפַ֣ת הַיְאֹ֔ר וְאֶחָ֥ד הֵ֖נָּה לִשְׂפַ֥ת הַיְאֹֽר׃

Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing, one on one bank of the river, the other on the other bank of the river.


וַיֹּ֗אמֶר לָאִישׁ֙ לְב֣וּשׁ הַבַּדִּ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מִמַּ֖עַל לְמֵימֵ֣י הַיְאֹ֑ר עַד־מָתַ֖י קֵ֥ץ הַפְּלָאֽוֹת׃

One said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the water of the river, “How long until the end of these awful things?”


וָאֶשְׁמַ֞ע אֶת־הָאִ֣ישׁ ׀ לְב֣וּשׁ הַבַּדִּ֗ים אֲשֶׁ֣ר מִמַּעַל֮ לְמֵימֵ֣י הַיְאֹר֒ וַיָּ֨רֶם יְמִינ֤וֹ וּשְׂמֹאלוֹ֙ אֶל־הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וַיִּשָּׁבַ֖ע בְּחֵ֣י הָעוֹלָ֑ם כִּי֩ לְמוֹעֵ֨ד מֽוֹעֲדִ֜ים וָחֵ֗צִי וּכְכַלּ֛וֹת נַפֵּ֥ץ יַד־עַם־קֹ֖דֶשׁ תִּכְלֶ֥ינָה כָל־אֵֽלֶּה׃

Then I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the water of the river, swear by the Ever-Living One as he lifted his right hand and his left hand to heaven: “For a time, times, and half a time; and when the breaking of the power of the holy people comes to an end, then shall all these things be fulfilled.”

 

[visionary]

I heard once that Michael and Rapheal were the two archangels on each side of the ark...aka on each side of the throne of God. Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel, are the four most important archangels. It is believed that these four archangels, reside at the four corners of The Great Throne of God.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.

Michael is the most celebrated of angels, whose name means “God-like” or “Who is like God?”.

 

[Lulav]

I heard once that Michael and Rapheal were the two archangels on each side of the ark...aka on each side of the throne of God. Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel, are the four most important archangels. It is believed that these four archangels, reside at the four corners of The Great Throne of God.

Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.

Michael is the most celebrated of angels, whose name means “God-like” or “Who is like God?”.

That's probably were the LDS get the idea that Michael is Jesus.

 

[chunkofcoal]

1. Who is "he"?

The King written about in Daniel 11?
But it is written:
"for that that is determined shall be done" and this:
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilledWhat does 'scatter' means?

What does scatter mean?
What power do they possess?

Looking at Rashi's commentary: "When Israel’s strength terminates, [similar to] (Deut. 32:36): “that power has vanished (אָזְלַת יַד) and nothing left to keep or abandon.” -
Deu 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

Who are the Holy people?

Israel?
These people?...
Dan 11:32-35 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. (33) And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (34) Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. (35) And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
These people?...
Mal 3:16-18 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. (17) And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. (18) Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

 

[pinacled]

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

 

[pinacled]

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Deuteronomy 29

Make sure there is no man or woman, clan or tribe among you today whose heart turns away from the Lord our God to go and worship the gods of those nations; make sure there is no root among you that produces such bitter poison