Metalheads

[ponygals]

I know there are a lot of religious people on here and most are probably against someone like me who listens to metal. Yes I know there is Christian metal and I listen to that style as well.

But why do religious folk have against metal? And I'm talking about Devil worshipping, 666, ritual, dark, styles. Like Death Metal, Black Metal, Thrash Metal, Hardcore Metal, Metalcore, Screamo, etc.

Every time I talk to a religious person and tell them I like metal right away they push their lectures upon me about how wrong it is.

So what are your thoughts on it?

 

[Sketcher]

I like metal, just not the devil stuff. That means black metal is automatically out (though I do like playing Invert the Inverted Cross by Horde every Easter).

The "holy" haters of the music in my experience are scared of it, do not understand it, and do not want to understand it. I like reminding them that their stance really isn't backed by any Scripture at all. I also like having them factually verify negative anecdotes concerning the musicians or people who listen to the music.

 

[Skavau]

Sketcher, just noting: The satanic stuff in Black Metal is a minority. Certainly a *large* minority but there's still plenty of non-satanic Black Metal.

 

[XB3LI3V3RX]

I know there are a lot of religious people on here and most are probably against someone like me who listens to metal. Yes I know there is Christian metal and I listen to that style as well. But why do religious folk have against metal? And I'm talking about Devil worshipping, 666, ritual, dark, styles. Like Death Metal, Black Metal, Thrash Metal, Hardcore Metal, Metalcore, Screamo, etc. Every time I talk to a religious person and tell them I like metal right away they push their lectures upon me about how wrong it is. So what are your thoughts on it?

I really only listen to Christian metal, but I get a lot of flak from people at church for even listening to that. My guess is that they were raised that anything to do with or sound like "rock" music should be labeled as Satanic. (As Sketcher said though no one has ever backed up their thoughts with Scripture, so they really shouldn't say anything about it at all.)

 

[Sketcher]

Sketcher, just noting: The satanic stuff in Black Metal is a minority. Certainly a *large* minority but there's still plenty of non-satanic Black Metal.

Then it ain't black metal.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

I know there are a lot of religious people on here and most are probably against someone like me who listens to metal. Yes I know there is Christian metal and I listen to that style as well.

But why do religious folk have against metal? And I'm talking about Devil worshipping, 666, ritual, dark, styles. Like Death Metal, Black Metal, Thrash Metal, Hardcore Metal, Metalcore, Screamo, etc.

Every time I talk to a religious person and tell them I like metal right away they push their lectures upon me about how wrong it is.

So what are your thoughts on it?

I know some bands use the satanic/devil worship crap in death metal and some metalcore...but I find it less so than people seem to claim it is there. And it certainly isn't required or anything. There are even Christian/christian-based metalcore, screamo and hardcore groups out there.

Black metal...yeah. Just kinda part of the territory. I am with Sketcher, it isn't Black metal without it being there somewhat. That is part of what actually makes up Black metal, even if it is sometimes faked or played up for effect.

Personally, I listen to a lot of metal, always have - was kinda raised on it. And never had all that much of a problem with it. I used to blast Slipknot, Metallica, CoB, and Slayer, etc. coming into the church parking lot when I was younger - then went in and sang hymns while playing bass in the praise band. haha

Sure a few people here or there said something about it, but not many and no one I couldn't just tune out.

 

[Skavau]

Then it ain't black metal.

That's not true. Black Metal may be stereotyped for its satanic thematic image but it isn't a requirement. It does describe a specific sound and a group that plays that sound is Black Metal regardless of their lyrical themes.

 

[Skavau]

Black metal...yeah. Just kinda part of the territory. I am with Sketcher, it isn't Black metal without it being there somewhat. That is part of what actually makes up Black metal, even if it is sometimes faked or played up for effect.

There's plenty of Black Metal bands that don't really have a Satanic Style, or once did but no longer do. Ihsahn, Borknagar, Amiensus, Cronian, Catamenia from the top of my head.

Then there's Blackgaze and Atmospheric Black Metal (which is mostly just about nature).

 

[Sketcher]

That's not true. Black Metal may be stereotyped for its satanic thematic image but it isn't a requirement. It does describe a specific sound and a group that plays that sound is Black Metal regardless of their lyrical themes.

It IS a requirement for black metal proper. The musical components without the Satanic or anti-Christian message do not constitute black metal, though they do constitute an extreme form of metal.

 

[Skavau]

It IS a requirement for black metal proper. The musical components without the Satanic or anti-Christian message do not constitute black metal, though they do constitute an extreme form of metal.

You're pretty much the only person I've ever seen to assert this. Ever.

Black Metal may hold its origins in Satanic and Anti-Christian Imagery and a notable amount of Black Metal bands past and present may hold to those lyrical and visual themes but there are plenty of Black Metal bands that continue the Black Metal musical tradition without reference to that.

 

[Sketcher]

You're pretty much the only person I've ever seen to assert this. Ever.

Black Metal may hold its origins in Satanic and Anti-Christian Imagery and a notable amount of Black Metal bands past and present may hold to those lyrical and visual themes but there are plenty of Black Metal bands that continue the Black Metal musical tradition without reference to that.

Members of Gorgoroth have said the opposite.

 

[Skavau]

Members of Gorgoroth have said the opposite.

Gorgoroth can say what they want. They don't get to decide what constitutes Black Metal in the consciousness of those that listen to it.

May I ask what you think of Atmospheric Black and Blackgaze, two somewhat new styles that derived from Black Metal that are notable in their absence (comparatively speaking) of Satanic references? You do run into the odd Neo-Nazi Atmospheric Black but Blackgaze is thematically completely different than all other forms of BM.

 

[ponygals]

Well I still like my metal. XD

 

[Sketcher]

Gorgoroth can say what they want. They don't get to decide what constitutes Black Metal in the consciousness of those that listen to it.

But they were around right when the churches were being burned, and are definitely familiar with the roots of the genre.

May I ask what you think of Atmospheric Black and Blackgaze, two somewhat new styles that derived from Black Metal that are notable in their absence (comparatively speaking) of Satanic references? You do run into the odd Neo-Nazi Atmospheric Black but Blackgaze is thematically completely different than all other forms of BM.

Haven't heard them. Can you name some bands that are good examples of each, which aren't into Satan?

 

[Skavau]

But they were around right when the churches were being burned, and are definitely familiar with the roots of the genre.

I already accept that the roots of the genre are from that - at least the Norwegian Scene. However the genre has advanced sufficiently way beyond that.

Haven't heard them. Can you name some bands that are good examples of each, which aren't into Satan?

I don't know how to stop the links all appearing as video clips.

Atmospheric Black:

Harakiri for the Sky
Summoning
Gallowbraid
Vallendusk
Amiensus (Progressive/Atmospheric Black)

Blackgaze:

An Autumn for Crippled Children
Alcest
Deafhaven

 

[Sketcher]

Click Share on Youtube, and get the youtu.be link, then treat it as a normal link.

 

[Skavau]

How tedious. Done.

 

[WannaWitness]

I don't get into the really hardcore stuff in the realm of metal, but I won't judge anyone who does like it. It's all a matter of taste. Now, I do sometimes listen to some edgy stuff that might be considered by some to be on the "tamer" end of the genre, but to tell the truth, I'm sure many true metal fans wouldn't consider it metal. I might be wrong.

This is about as far as I go.

Learn some Deuteronomy - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSjo0b1_R_U

 

[Lenny3]

Metal snobs may not agree that all of these are "metal" but these are some of my favorite heavier acts:

Mastodon
Pantera
Tool
Lamb of God
Strapping Young Lad
Black Sabbath
Volbeat
Static-X
Testament
Megadeth
Metallica

 

[Fangtastic]

Well I still like my metal. XD