Messianic Muslims

[CherubRam]

What do you know about Messianic Muslims? Is it a good thing, or not? Link to one blog spot: http://messianicmuslims.blogspot.com/

 

[visionary]

Reminds me of the Lord saying you can not have two masters. Allah and God are going to be tussled top spot in the mind, then follows which rules rule the heart.

 

[CherubRam]

Reminds me of the Lord saying you can not have two masters. Allah and God are going to be tussled top spot in the mind, then follows which rules rule the heart.

I do not approve either. At the very least though they will have some exposure to the bible. That's a good thing.

 

[Heber Book List]

It's an oxymoron!

 

[visionary]

I wish it was Muslims who have gone messianic.

 

[CherubRam]

I wish it was Muslims who have gone messianic.

That would be better. Perhaps along the way they will make that change in their lives.

 

[DennisTate]

It's an oxymoron!

I don't think so........
The Prophet Muhammad is rumored to have attempted to observe the Jewish Sabbath for
a number of years before he was offended by some Rabbinic Jews........ and went in another direction in life.

Muslims who term themselves "Messianic' are risking their lives to do so....... what do you and I risk by terming ourselves 'Messianic?"

 

[DennisTate]

I wish it was Muslims who have gone messianic.

The sheer number of Muslims in Iran and many Middle Eastern nations who are
admitting that they believe Rabbi Issa - Jesus - Yeshua was the Jewish Messiah... .is astonishing.

And they are taking huge risks to admit this.

 

[Heber Book List]

I don't think so........
The Prophet Muhammad is rumored to have attempted to observe the Jewish Sabbath for
a number of years before he was offended by some Rabbinic Jews........ and went in another direction in life.

Muslims who term themselves "Messianic' are risking their lives to do so....... what do you and I risk by terming ourselves 'Messianic?"

It is simply not the same G_d. It cannot be that a person can be Muslim and Christian or Muslim and Jewish. They are, very definitely, oxymorons, unless the intention is to say that Christians and Jews share the same god as does Islam!

They can be ex-Muslims who have become Messianics or Christians or Jews - but Islam and its god must go from their lives. As Yeshua said: 'you cannot serve two masters' no matter how convenient the package is. Full conversion must take place, as you note in your following post, where many Muslims are converting to a belief in Jesus - but they must then cease to be a Muslim.

The reason they risk their lives is because they have converted from Islam to a Messianic faith - that takes enormous faith and courage, I agree, but they cannot be in both the Islamic faith AND the Jewish / Christian faith, simultaneously, which is what it seems your post implies; they are neither one nor the other if that is what they are trying to do.

Rumours hold no weight in matters of eternal life, or death - you are either for G_d, or against him.

 

[CherubRam]

The sheer number of Muslims in Iran and many Middle Eastern nations who are
admitting that they believe Rabbi Issa - Jesus - Yeshua was the Jewish Messiah... .is astonishing.

And they are taking huge risks to admit this.

Mohammad did believe Christ was the Messiah.

 

[CherubRam]

It is simply not the same G_d. It cannot be that a person can be Muslim and Christian or Muslim and Jewish. They are, very definitely, oxymorons, unless the intention is to say that Christians and Jews share the same god as does Islam!

They can be ex-Muslims who have become Messianics or Christians or Jews - but Islam and its god must go from their lives. As Yeshua said: 'you cannot serve two masters' no matter how convenient the package is. Full conversion must take place, as you note in your following post, where many Muslims are converting to a belief in Jesus - but they must then cease to be a Muslim.

The reason they risk their lives is because they have converted from Islam to a Messianic faith - that takes enormous faith and courage, I agree, but they cannot be in both the Islamic faith AND the Jewish / Christian faith, simultaneously, which is what it seems your post implies; they are neither one nor the other if that is what they are trying to do.

Rumours hold no weight in matters of eternal life, or death - you are either for G_d, or against him.

Mohammad did not know the name of God, that is why he used the name of a Pagan god. Alilah=Allah.

 

[visionary]

Mohammad did believe Christ was the Messiah.

You are going to have to show me this, because Islam doesn't believe that.

 

[CherubRam]

You are going to have to show me this, because Islam doesn't believe that.

Yahshua: http://www.islam-101.org/

 

[Heber Book List]

Yahshua: http://www.islam-101.org/

Have you a recognised Islamic academic source that clearly supports those views?

 

[CherubRam]

Have you a recognized Islamic academic source that clearly supports those views?

No, I do not have a academic source.

 

[Heber Book List]

No, I do not have a academic source.

That's a shame - it rather devalues the assertion made.

 

[CherubRam]

That's a shame - it rather devalues the assertion made.

It is Muslim Christians who believe these things. I do not know their group myself, that is why I asked.

 

[RaphaCam]

I don't really understand what the author of this text is trying to say. All Muslims believe Jesus was the Messiah, although maybe the key is in "Messianic Muslims consider Jesus to be the Messiah for the Jews, Muslims and Christians", since Muslims generally consider Jesus Christ a prophet only for the Jews. It also seems he Christianised Islam by implying the Son is consubstantial to the Father ("he was in essence the same as Allah").

Mohammad did not know the name of God, that is why he used the name of a Pagan god. Alilah=Allah.

This is not true, Al-ilah means simply "the god", and "Allah" is an syncope of "Al-ilah". I believe the much older Aramaic word "Aloho" is also a cognate of "Allah".

 

[ShaulHaTarsi]

As a side note, Orthodox (i.e. non-Christian) Jews believe that they and Muslims worship the very same God despite them having different scriptures. It would be difficult to claim that non-Messianic and Messianic Jews worship the same God, but that somehow Muslims do not. If non-Messianic Jews and Muslims claim to worship the same God, how can you claim to worship the same god as the non-Messianic Jews (or even non-trinitarian MJ).

 

[AbbaLove]

As a side note, non-Christian/Messianic Jews believe that they and Muslims worship the very same God despite them having different scriptures.

Oh, so you googled a secular link that says so? What about a Messianic Jewish Christian or a Judaic Christian? Where did you ever come up with the idea or conclude that all Messianic Jews are non-Christians? Orthodox Jews refer to Messianic Jews as being "Christians" so maybe you are a Messianic Gentile Christian or is it Christian Messianic Gentile?