Messianic Jews vs. Messianic Gentiles

[The Thadman]

This is just a short poll, as I'm curious as to who's out there.

I've always seen "Messianics" in two categories.

1) Messianic Jews

-People who are born Jews, who were raised in the Jewish faith, then converted to a faith in Jesus as the Messiah. They continue to follow the Law of Moses.

Matthew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

John 1
40 One of the two who heard John, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. 41 He first found his own brother, Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah!".

2) Messianic Gentiles

-People who are born Gentiles, who were raised as whatever religion, but then came to follow with a faith in Jesus as the Messiah. They are "adopted" into the Law of Moses, following it.

Isaiah 56
3a Neither let the foreigner, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, Yahweh will surely separate me from his people;... 6 Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh, to minister to him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it, and holds fast my covenant;

Romans 8
2 For the Torah of the Spirit of life through Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. ... 4 that the full Torah might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ... 7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God’s Torah, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh can’t please God. ... 9 But you (P) are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. ... 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you (P) didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, "Abba!"



For example, under these definitions I am a Messianic Gentile. I was born a Gentile in the Episcopal Church, and later realized the Jewish roots of Jesus' teachings. Now I'm "grandfathered" under the Torah, so to say.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

 

[Henaynei]

"Jewish Christians" aka Hebrew Christians are Jews who have faith in Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah and whose lifestyle and worship are in and from a non-Jewish/Gentile culture.

Gentiles who come to faith in Messiah do not become Jews no matter what the cultural structure of their lifestyle or worship.

There is some good information on this in our FAQ sticky

I am a Messianic Gentile, though I rather describe it as Messianic Ger Toshav.
My husband, born Jewish, is a Messianic Jew, and so when asked about "us" I will say "we are Messianic Jews" - but when asked about only myself I state as I have indicated.

So for the purposes of your poll I am neither

 

[Achichem]

I think I accidentally voted "Messianic Jew" before I read your entire post.

I did the same thing

 

[ShirChadash]

I did the same thing

guilty of the same. LOL

 

[The Thadman]

"Jewish Christians" aka Hebrew Christians are Jews who have faith in Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah and whose lifestyle and worship are in and from a non-Jewish/Gentile culture.

Gentiles who come to faith in Messiah do not become Jews no matter what the cultural structure of their lifestyle or worship.

There is some good information on this in our FAQ sticky

I am a Messianic Gentile, though I rather describe it as Messianic Ger Toshav.
My husband, born Jewish, is a Messianic Jew, and so when asked about "us" I will say "we are Messianic Jews" - but when asked about only myself I state as I have indicated.

So for the purposes of your poll I am neither

Then my mistake is one of semantics. Thanks for pointing it out.

Under your definitions, I would fall under "Messianic Gentile." I saw "Jewish" as an adjective, not as a culture, as branches that are grafted are not truly part of the tree (hence my refernce to a "grandfather clause"). I wonder if there is a way to edit the polls. I'll see what I can do.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

 

[iitb]

If you want, I can edit it, as well as clear the current results so that those who mis-voted can can pick the right thing.

 

[The Thadman]

If you want, I can edit it, as well as clear the current results so that those who mis-voted can can pick the right thing.

Go for it!

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

 

[iitb]

The poll and thread title have been fixed. All votes have been removed, so everyone needs to vote again!

 

[The Thadman]

The poll and thread title have been fixed. All votes have been removed, so everyone needs to vote again!

Thanks for fixing the edits too!

Taude saggi!
(Many thanks!)
-Steve-o

 

[ShirChadash]

I can't revote from my earlier one so... Let me say that one vote under Messianic Jew is mine, but it is incorrect.

 

[TovahTikvah]

It's now only showing one vote under Messianic Jew, and I voted that way, because that's what I am.

I know I'm not the only one here, am I?!?!

 

[Henaynei]

It's now only showing one vote under Messianic Jew, and I voted that way, because that's what I am.

I know I'm not the only one here, am I?!?!

LOL no, there are others - they may have laready voted before things were cleared.....

 

[adriel]

There seems to be some theological confusion here; all are one in Christ Jesus/Yeshua ha Messiach. Neither Jew nor Greek!
Ethnic origin remains the same at the moment, and we love our culture but in the spiritual body of Messiah/Christ that will be/is eternal, there is no differnence. The question is what kinda of ethnic ressurection body do we get? And what will be our culture and traditons then in the new millenium. 'When we see him we will be like him' But then that's a deep question!
There are no such things as Jewish christain and Gentile christians, thats just a worldly idea, we are 'church', 'ecclesians' is probably a better title than christian.
No ye not that we were ordained from 'before' the begining of the world. Yes thats right before Israel and the nations were created the 'church' was in the mind of God!
amen shalom

 

[Henaynei]

There seems to be some theological confusion here; all are one in Christ Jesus/Yeshua ha Messiach. Neither Jew nor Greek!
Ethnic origin remains the same at the moment, and we love our culture but in the spiritual body of Messiah/Christ that will be/is eternal, there is no differnence. The question is what kinda of ethnic ressurection body do we get? And what will be our culture and traditons then in the new millenium. 'When we see him we will be like him' But then that's a deep question!
There are no such things as Jewish christain and Gentile christians, thats just a worldly idea, we are 'church', 'ecclesians' is probably a better title than christian.
No ye not that we were ordained from 'before' the begining of the world. Yes thats right before Israel and the nations were created the 'church' was in the mind of God!
amen shalom

adriel,

You are right that there is no specification or division as pertains to access to salvation.

However, there was, is and remains both specification and that dreaded and maligned word division in calling and prophesy. Both men and women have specific and divided callings and instructions and office in the healthy functioning of the Body. So also do the Jew and the non-Jew. Just read prophesy - it is replete with specification.

 

[JewishHeart]

heynanei

i actually agree with your last statement