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Is that a yes or a no?Hello, Nithavela,
Well, if you do so, i shall have to both pray for your body and soul, and for the sake of truth. Indeed, however merciful is our God, i'm not sure He will choose mercy, and as Hazelelponi reminds us there's this commandment :
Seems to me then the ball played would be in God's court. Subsequently, i can't answer your question without depriving God from His sovereignty, sorry to be embarrassedIf I were to repeat this pointless exercise with the christian god
I'm asking you about your reaction to the hypothetical scenario of me demanding god to "strike me down if he exists" and the subsequent reality of me not being striken down in any discernible way. I don't want you to tell me what god would do in the first place, but what you would do in such a scenario.Seems to me then the ball played would be in God's court. Subsequently, i can't answer your question without depriving God from His sovereignty, sorry to be embarrassed
I think i perfectly understoodI'm asking you about your reaction to the hypothetical scenario of me demanding god to "strike me down if he exists" and the subsequent reality of me not being striken down in any discernible way.
I know. Andf what's more, i repeat you i haven't the answer. Therefore, i can't provide with it for you.I don't want you to tell me what god would do in the first place
i can only and morally repeat also, i can't admit this scenario for reality. Only God knows what would be his behavior in the first place, in such a scenario. i don't want to speculate on this behavior. Truly sorrybut what you would do in such a scenario.
Being a Christian why would you even try to tempt a God you don't believe in? Like nonbelievers who come on a Christian forum and are tempting a God that they don't believe in, to me it doesn't make sense. It will be like all of us mocking purple unicorns, but we don't why, because we know purple unicorns don't exist.Thank you Alex,
My message was not for God, but for Allah. I believe, yes, God can kill. As for Allah, i was testing his existence
yeah, it is easy for anyone to write anything but look for yourself in a proper religious studies library and you will find the info easily. Librarians are the experts to go to to find the proper documents and books. sometimes these books are already digitized and available to view.True, I can not say much here about Islam, cos you know how some extremists might react, but you might be true on this.
Thank you.yeah, it is easy for anyone to write anything but look for yourself in a proper religious studies library and you will find the info easily. Librarians are the experts to go to to find the proper documents and books. sometimes these books are already digitized and available to view.
Blessings.
Hello, Laodicean.Being a Christian why would you even try to tempt a God you don't believe in?
Based on the teachings of Islam, a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. While they may reject the deity of Christ, that in no way changes who the one true God is; hence, Christians and Muslims are worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham.This is not true.
Muhammad was a false prophet, and his teachings were anti-Christ, but he was always referring to the same God that Jews and Christians were worshiping. This becomes quite evident when reading the Qu'ran and the hadiths. Despite Muhammad's false teaching, Muslims can trace their lineage back to Abraham, and since they put their faith in the same God that Abraham did, it would be incorrect for a Christian to call the God that Muslims worship Satan.The God of Islam is who Christians call Satan.
Denying the divinity of Christ has no bearing on whether or not a Christian belongs among the "People of the Book." The people of the book are considered those nations/people who received previous revelations from God through the prophets. Those who received these revelations may choose to reject what the prophets taught, but they will still be considered people of the book. There are both believers and unbelievers who are considered to be among the people of the book according to Islam.The only Christians technically accepted as being People of the Book are those who deny the divinity of Christ and do not worship Jesus as Lord. That's according to the Quran and ahadith...
For sake of being nice Muslims call Christians people of the Book, but it's a lie... They aren't according to the texts because they ascribe partners.
The purpose was stated plainly in the question, I still don't understand but I guess different strokes for different folks.Hello, Laodicean.
To answer your question : for the sake of Truth, obviously.
And you, please, have you some purpose in your question ?
It will be like all of us mocking purple unicorns, but we don't why, because we know purple unicorns don't exist.
Let me try and explain, then : we do know purple unicorns don't exist, but some people do believe muslim Allah exist. I'm trying to be of assistanceThe purpose was stated plainly in the question, I still don't understand
As catholic, i told a priest about this thread in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
He advised to have a comforting word for muslim believers.
Here is it, i hope it'll be soft enough :
i'm genuinely sorry if my action may have hurt someone.
This thread aimed at revealing where bewilderment is or is not. (It may be a failure)
For it's not an easy thing nowadays to avoid being led astray. However, i'm not pretending to guide anyone, but just to produce a test everyone will interpret according his/her criteria.
i still think it was worth
Hello Hazelelponi,I used to be Muslim, I'm obviously apostate now, as I'm a born again believer in Christ
Earlier in this thread I mentioned how a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. If Muslims aren't worshiping the one true God of Abraham, then who/what are they worshiping?They most certainly do not. I cannot stand this syncretistic mummery.
Do you believe that Arab Christians are in error when they call God "Allah?" What about Bibles in Southeast Asia that use the word "Allah" rather than God?Muslim 'Allah' who is their ilah (singular, never a plural word), has no son. and 'Isa is simply a creation and as for the 'spirit' (it varies by muslim tafsirs)
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called Abrahamic faiths because they trace their lineage specifically to Abraham, whereas most other religions do not.And just for additional point, Islam is not, I repeat, not, an Abrahamic faith. Neither is Rabbinic talmudism for that matter.
Earlier in this thread I mentioned how a Muslim will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy book, the Qur'an, instructs them to worship the God of Abraham. If Muslims aren't worshiping the one true God of Abraham, then who/what are they worshiping?
Below are a few verses from the Qur'an:
“We believe in God, and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.” (Qur'an 3:84)
"Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except he who fools himself?" We chose him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous. (Qur'an 130)
"We will worship thy God, the God of our forefathers Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and unto Him will we surrender ourselves." (Qur'an 2:133)
With the above verses in mind, what god are they describing?
Do you believe that Arab Christians are in error when they call God "Allah?" What about Bibles in Southeast Asia that use the word "Allah" rather than God?
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called Abrahamic faiths because they trace their lineage specifically to Abraham, whereas most other religions do not.
When trying to answer the question as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God found in the Bible, it's not important what we believe as Christians; it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds. Based on the teachings of both Judaism and Islam, a follower of either of these religions will be worshiping the God of the Bible because their holy books, the Torah and Qur'an, instruct them to worship the God of Abraham. As Jews and Muslims, they may reject the deity of Christ, but that in no way changes who the one true God is; hence, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham. It would be laughable to even think that Jews aren't worshiping the one true God found in the Bible, and it should be equally as laughable to think that Muslims aren't as well since they, like the Jews, can trace their lineage back to Abraham and put their faith in the same God that Abraham did. There's a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called the Abrahamic faiths. Same Abraham. Same God. Seems pretty simple to me.
Hello Joseph,it's not important what we believe as Christians; it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds.
The area where I live is down by the head with Muslims.
May be Jonaitis, thank you
Let me have another try, please :
Muslim Allah, may you kill me, if you do exist
It's true that love for one's enemy isn't as pronounced in Islam, but it is there. Here are a few verses from the Quran and a couple of hadiths that show this to a certain extent.Indeed, The priest that gave me reconciliation added (true or false, (?) i don't enough know islam to deal with this) : The love of ennemy is not so much underlined in Islam than in christianism).
Is it ?
Indeed again, Jesus told once (Mt 7, 16-20) we shall know people by their fruit. Now, my feeling is obviously a subjective feeling, influenced by medias, and etc.. Yet however subjective it is, and to be blunt, i just don't feel very much the love of ennemy in the Islam i 've heard of, this love of ennemy which in my view sublimates the idea of God i personnally keep. There's a huge difference between a deity that teaches the love of ennemy, and the one that doesn't.
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