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<blockquote data-quote="Tolkien R.R.J" data-source="post: 74441402" data-attributes="member: 411644"><p><strong>Flat Earth?</strong></p><p></p><p>“<em>Galileo did not discover that the earth was round, this had been known for more than four centuries.”</em></p><p><em>-Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco</em></p><p></p><p>“<em>The people of the Middle Ages did not believe the earth was flat. They knew it was round. The ancients said it was round, the Fathers of the Church said it was round; they saw its shadow during an eclipse of the moon, and the shadow was round; they saw masts of ships sinking below the horizon – round!”</em></p><p><em>-Anthony Esolen Professor of English Providence College How Dark Were the Dark Ages?</em></p><p></p><p>The earth was known to have been round long before the Renaissance and Galileo [1633]. There was no flat earth society like the modern evolutionist flat earth society. It was common knowledge and The Bible teaches as such [Job 26.7, 10 Isiah 40.22]. According to Rodney Stark in his book Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic<em> History. </em>All theologians and scholars agreed the earth was round at the time. The myth was invented by a fictional writer Washington Irving and taken as truth by anti catholic historians.</p><p></p><p>“<em>The opposition Columbus encountered was not about the shape of the earth, but about the fact that he was wildly wrong about the circumference of the globe...the story [Columbus flat earth] <u>was unknown until more than three hundred years later when it appeared in 1828</u>...the story was <u>eagerly embraced by historians who were so certain of the wickedness and stupidity of the roman catholic church</u>.” </em></p><p><em>-Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History Tempelton Press 2016</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>“<em>You will read in some book that men of the middle ages thought the earth flat and the stars near, but that is a lie.”</em></p><p><em>-C.S Lewis Problem of pain</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002) said</p><p></p><p>“<em>There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology. </em></p><p> <em>-Gould, S.J., The Late Birth of a Flat Earth, in: <em>Dinosaur in a Haystack: Reflections in Natural History</em>, 1st paperback ed., pp. 38–50, New York: Three Rivers Press, NY,1997</em></p><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p>“<em>Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220–1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301–1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320–1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195–c. 1256) who wrote <em>Treatise on the Sphere</em>, and many more. One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/ AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day Henderson, T., World-famous astronomers celebrate the Venerable Bede”</em></p><p><em>-The Journal, journallive.co.uk, 13 February 2009</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the leading church theologian of the middle ages, Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274), wrote in his greatest work <em>Summa Theologica/Theologia</em></p><p></p><p><em>The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e.g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e.g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the centre, and so forth.”</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>“<em>We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”</em></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>The Renaissance</strong></p><p></p><p>“<em>The revival of Roman law brought about legal standardization in the interest of centralized nation states...put an end to the legal rights enjoyed by medieval serfs and feudal Lords. The result was the reintroduction of slavery, the subjugation of women, the exploitation of the worker, and the rise of the absolutist state”</em></p><p><em>-Cornelius Micheal Backley S.J.U of San Francisco Forward to Those Terrible Middle Ages”</em></p><p></p><p>“<em>In fact, the 17th century- the age of reason- the number of witchcraft trials swelled to insane proportions.”</em></p><p><em>-Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco</em></p><p></p><p>With the enlightenment and Renaissance we saw a return to Roman centralized law and society built upon the state. With it returned massive warfare, slavery, the decline of women in society, the exploliation of the work force, industrialization and the decline of agrarian life. The decay of society and family and standard morality, the rise of democracy and totalitarian states, the loss of liberty and private property, the loss of the individual and his earnings, and the deprivation of basic human rights on the grandest scale. And the seeds of colonialism and imperialism.</p><p></p><p>“<em>Tribunals were marked by a particular harshness due to the Renaissance of Roman law... Fredrick 2nd....for the first time stipulated specifically the pain of fire against hardened heretics, Thus the inquisition at its most odius, was the fruit of.... the forerunner of the “enlightenment monarch” who was, moreover, himself a skeptic and soon excommunicated.”</em></p><p><em>-Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>“<em>saw it [Roman law] as an instrument of centralization and authority. It showed a large part the effects of its imperialist and, let us say the word, colonial origins.”</em></p><p><em>-Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>“<em>The inquisition itself is a product of Roman law. And that means a legal code that had nothing at all to do with Christianity. That developed over many centuries before Christ was even born”</em></p><p><em>-Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition</em></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Who Spreads the Myth?</strong></p><p></p><p>”<em>The period of time when Europe was “Christianized” was renamed the dark ages. Enlightenment scholars began a campaign to associate the church with superstition and ignorance, including the outright lie the church in the middle ages taught a flat earth. Jeffery Burton Russel sets the record straight in his book inventing the flat earth myth...it is sad <u>the conquerors write the history books</u>. Over the next century secularist ideas replaced the christian worldview in Europe that continues to this day.”</em></p><p> <em>-Micheal J ord and John K Reed How Noahs flood Shaped our earth</em></p><p></p><p>“<em>There were no dark ages...in part the notion that Europe fell into the “dark ages” was a hoax perpetrated by very antireligous intellectuals such as Voltaire and Gibbon, who were determined to claim that theirs was an era of “enlightenment.”” </em></p><p> <em>-Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History</em></p><p></p><p><em>[The dark ages] “Mostly fictitious, invented by modern thinkers eager to discredit medieval faith and thought.” </em></p><p> <em>-C.S Lewis</em></p><p></p><p>“<em>What the proponents of the enlightenment actually initiated was the tradition of angry secular attacks on religion.”</em></p><p><em>-Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tolkien R.R.J, post: 74441402, member: 411644"] [B]Flat Earth?[/B] “[I]Galileo did not discover that the earth was round, this had been known for more than four centuries.” -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco[/I] “[I]The people of the Middle Ages did not believe the earth was flat. They knew it was round. The ancients said it was round, the Fathers of the Church said it was round; they saw its shadow during an eclipse of the moon, and the shadow was round; they saw masts of ships sinking below the horizon – round!” -Anthony Esolen Professor of English Providence College How Dark Were the Dark Ages?[/I] The earth was known to have been round long before the Renaissance and Galileo [1633]. There was no flat earth society like the modern evolutionist flat earth society. It was common knowledge and The Bible teaches as such [Job 26.7, 10 Isiah 40.22]. According to Rodney Stark in his book Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic[I] History. [/I]All theologians and scholars agreed the earth was round at the time. The myth was invented by a fictional writer Washington Irving and taken as truth by anti catholic historians. “[I]The opposition Columbus encountered was not about the shape of the earth, but about the fact that he was wildly wrong about the circumference of the globe...the story [Columbus flat earth] [U]was unknown until more than three hundred years later when it appeared in 1828[/U]...the story was [U]eagerly embraced by historians who were so certain of the wickedness and stupidity of the roman catholic church[/U].” -Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History Tempelton Press 2016[/I] “[I]You will read in some book that men of the middle ages thought the earth flat and the stars near, but that is a lie.” -C.S Lewis Problem of pain[/I] The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002) said “[I]There never was a period of ‘flat earth darkness’ among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the earth’s roundness as an established fact of cosmology. -Gould, S.J., The Late Birth of a Flat Earth, in: [I]Dinosaur in a Haystack: Reflections in Natural History[/I], 1st paperback ed., pp. 38–50, New York: Three Rivers Press, NY,1997[/I] and “[I]Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220–1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301–1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320–1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195–c. 1256) who wrote [I]Treatise on the Sphere[/I], and many more. One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/ AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day Henderson, T., World-famous astronomers celebrate the Venerable Bede” -The Journal, journallive.co.uk, 13 February 2009[/I] And the leading church theologian of the middle ages, Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274), wrote in his greatest work [I]Summa Theologica/Theologia[/I] [I]The physicist proves the earth to be round by one means, the astronomer by another: for the latter proves this by means of mathematics, e.g. by the shapes of eclipses, or something of the sort; while the former proves it by means of physics, e.g. by the movement of heavy bodies towards the centre, and so forth.”[/I] “[I]We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”[/I] [B]The Renaissance[/B] “[I]The revival of Roman law brought about legal standardization in the interest of centralized nation states...put an end to the legal rights enjoyed by medieval serfs and feudal Lords. The result was the reintroduction of slavery, the subjugation of women, the exploitation of the worker, and the rise of the absolutist state” -Cornelius Micheal Backley S.J.U of San Francisco Forward to Those Terrible Middle Ages”[/I] “[I]In fact, the 17th century- the age of reason- the number of witchcraft trials swelled to insane proportions.” -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco[/I] With the enlightenment and Renaissance we saw a return to Roman centralized law and society built upon the state. With it returned massive warfare, slavery, the decline of women in society, the exploliation of the work force, industrialization and the decline of agrarian life. The decay of society and family and standard morality, the rise of democracy and totalitarian states, the loss of liberty and private property, the loss of the individual and his earnings, and the deprivation of basic human rights on the grandest scale. And the seeds of colonialism and imperialism. “[I]Tribunals were marked by a particular harshness due to the Renaissance of Roman law... Fredrick 2nd....for the first time stipulated specifically the pain of fire against hardened heretics, Thus the inquisition at its most odius, was the fruit of.... the forerunner of the “enlightenment monarch” who was, moreover, himself a skeptic and soon excommunicated.” -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition[/I] “[I]saw it [Roman law] as an instrument of centralization and authority. It showed a large part the effects of its imperialist and, let us say the word, colonial origins.” -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco[/I] “[I]The inquisition itself is a product of Roman law. And that means a legal code that had nothing at all to do with Christianity. That developed over many centuries before Christ was even born” -Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: Heaven or Heresy: A History of the Inquisition[/I] [B]Who Spreads the Myth?[/B] ”[I]The period of time when Europe was “Christianized” was renamed the dark ages. Enlightenment scholars began a campaign to associate the church with superstition and ignorance, including the outright lie the church in the middle ages taught a flat earth. Jeffery Burton Russel sets the record straight in his book inventing the flat earth myth...it is sad [U]the conquerors write the history books[/U]. Over the next century secularist ideas replaced the christian worldview in Europe that continues to this day.” -Micheal J ord and John K Reed How Noahs flood Shaped our earth[/I] “[I]There were no dark ages...in part the notion that Europe fell into the “dark ages” was a hoax perpetrated by very antireligous intellectuals such as Voltaire and Gibbon, who were determined to claim that theirs was an era of “enlightenment.”” -Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History[/I] [I][The dark ages] “Mostly fictitious, invented by modern thinkers eager to discredit medieval faith and thought.” -C.S Lewis[/I] “[I]What the proponents of the enlightenment actually initiated was the tradition of angry secular attacks on religion.” -Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History[/I] [/QUOTE]
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