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I have already studied everything I could find to study about the Shroud many years ago. It was very much of interest to me and I wish we knew more about it then we do. Even though we know a lot already. I am convinced in what I believe and all the skeptics and scoffers in the world will not change what I know to be true. Even if they do not want to accept the truth.Do you really believe the shroud of turin is for real? Care to comment on this video?Ken
in other words, no, you can't make a comment about that video.
Yet he created demons who, as you say, had no choice but to be evil...hmmm.
The ones called "demons" chose that on their own. That is part of the beauty of it. They chose to be evil by themselves, it isn't forced. God is blameless.
In what way is this anything remotely close to proof?
All you've done is say that since you believe the Bible is correct when it describes some things it must therefore be correct when describing other things.
Excuses excuses. I get this whenever the Bible fails to deliver.
The Bible always delivers. Ask away. Test away. The Holy Bible doesn't fail.
Opinion? You do know that it's not my fault you're inexperienced enough to fail your burden of proof?you didn't provide anything except your opinion, and no one wants to hear it.
Which is an article (I explicitly asked you not to link them). If you would find the original source, that is, the actual study that is base for the articles, that would be great.The first link gives a link to this link,
Scientists say Shroud of Turin authentic, of supernatural origin Which is Valid.
1. I'm biased because I'm assuming that he's biased since he's the president of the foundation?The 2nd link is from The president of The Resurrection of the Shroud Foundation, notice your biased in assuming that since he is the president of the foundation that he would be biased, please throw that presupposition out the window.
Now for further and better links see below,
Not nearly enough. Notice how none of those links are scientific papers. One of them, second last, seem to be a comment of an experiment, close (on one link) but no cigar.Please don't lie because I'll post again,
Habermas - The Plight of the New Atheism: A Critique
Habermas - The Plight of the New Atheism: A Critique
The Shroud of Turin Wasnt Faked, Italian Experts Say - ABC News
The Shroud of Turin Website - Main Menu
Is the Shroud of Turin a Painting?
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/thibault-lg.pdf
Shroud of Turin Blog
That is enough Scientific Facts.
I'm leaning towards atheism? Why would you think that?Oh yes you are, if you were an "agnostic" you wouldn't have presupposition, you're already leaning towards "atheism" with the biased so we have no reason to assume your an "agnostic", if you are then act like it and keep the presupposition down.
Could you look into the difference of the two terms "proof" and "evidence"? Hint: They're not synonyms.
"Can only can be reproduced by x ray like technology"?Now you're either a liar or just didn't watch the video without presupposition/attentiveness, Gary didn't compare it to human characteristics . The Video is sort of a study, Gary shows teeth on the image that can only be reproduced by x ray like technology rendering it not to be a forgery dismissing your argument, so watch again,
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Wisdom is clear, pure and easily accepted.
Ones that truely believe are filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God(Gods Spirit), and is truth of all things. Imagine the potential. Imagine the perfection. Imagine the limitless understanding of all that is all. It is all contained in God, and God alone. Believe. Believe for truths sake, for humankinds sake, for the sake of perfection. Do not fear, for God is good. Do not doubt, for God has already overcome it. Trust in the truth, for God is all. God is all understanding itself. God is kind and gentle and merciful. He loves you.
The Bible always delivers. Ask away. Test away. The Holy Bible doesn't fail.
On the contrary, he chose to put the forbidden fruit in Eden, he chose to create a Serpent (specifically designed to be cunning and tempting), he chose to make it so that, if Eve ate of that fruit, then all of humanity would be doomed to Hell.The ones called "demons" chose that on their own. That is part of the beauty of it. They chose to be evil by themselves, it isn't forced. God is blameless.
Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.in other words, no, you can't make a comment about that video.
Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is noted.Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.
What? Your really not serious are you? Do you really take guys playing with dolls serious? Wow, things really have changed. The only time people take that sort of stuff serious is if there is some sort of abuse going on somewhere. This is the wrong board for that. So your inability to present a valid argument is noted. Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is noted.
Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is once more noted.What? Your really not serious are you? Do you really take guys playing with dolls serious? Wow, things really have changed. The only time people take that sort of stuff serious is if there is some sort of abuse going on somewhere. This is the wrong board for that. So your inability to present a valid argument is noted. Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.
First you have to present an argument in order for me to counter it. Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is once more noted.
The video is not about a guy playing with a doll, he uses the doll to demonstrate that not only is the Shroud a fake, but it is a poorly constructed fake. It is so fake that even an amateur can notice that the top of the head is missing, and that the hair shouldnt be visible from the front.Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.
First you have to present an argument in order for me to counter it. Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.
I think it is YOU who is being decieved.Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.
Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.
Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.
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