McCain Palling Around With Terrorists?

[WalksWithChrist]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column

Just to provide a little contrast. I had missed the coverage on this earlier this year...so this is news to me.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

(yeah, replying to my own thread! kinda sad...)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/9/202342/049
This speaks to what I was talking about in another thread about McCain's temper.

I haven't watched the YouTube vid yet.
I'll check it out from home and provide commentary.
(not that anyone has asked me to!)


As to the "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"...I thought only people in the movies said that kinda stuff.

 

[MrJim]

See it doesn't work 'cause rednecks like me are cool with Liddy....

 

[SolomonVII]

Just more of the typical liberal moral equivalence and the total lackof proportion that comes with biblical wisdom.

There just is no comparison, except in the liberal mind in which a wrist slap and an atomic bomb both are deemed hurtful and therefore of the same moral weight.

 

[Nadiine]

See it doesn't work 'cause rednecks like me are cool with Liddy....

ya, what's wrong w/ Liddy??

 

[WalksWithChrist]

See it doesn't work 'cause rednecks like me are cool with Liddy....

I got this far in life just knowing him by name. Now that I read up on him...I'm quite unimpressed.

Just more of the typical liberal moral equivalence and the total lackof proportion that comes with biblical wisdom.

There just is no comparison, except in the liberal mind in which a wrist slap and an atomic bomb both are deemed hurtful and therefore of the same moral weight.

Care to actually reply to some of what I posted and hold the insults?

Thanks.

ya, what's wrong w/ Liddy??

Did you read the wiki I posted? It's all there.

I welcome your specific comments since you are so quick to label Obama on this issue.

 

[MrJim]

Liddy did the time for the crime; break in and spy on democrats~he's an uberpatriot and not a scumbag terrorist; not a real good comparison to Ayers who wanted to blow up stuff and kill people..but hey give the libs an E for effort..

 

[Hentenza]

LOL!!!! Gotta love the baloney that gets printed to discredit presidential opponents during an election. If you believe MCCain ties with Liddy then how about Obama's ties with Rashid Khalidi and Acorn.

I think I'll stick with McCain.

 

[MrJim]

Now what's a rashid khalidi? Can't. Keep. Up.

 

[mont974x4]

Except there's solid proof of Obama's connections with ACORN and Ayers.

 

[SolomonVII]

Now what's a rashid khalidi? Can't. Keep. Up.

This associate of OB is not a terrorist like Ayers. He just show sympathy with the aims of terrorists.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/590

on Palestinian violence. Khalidi glorifies anti-Israel violence as contributing to "political enlightenment"[vii] and unsurprisingly admires those who carry it out. His loyalty to Palestinian terrorist groups run so deep that he actually dedicated his 1986 valentine to the PLO, Under Siege, to "those who gave their lives . . . in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon."[viii] The book whitewashes PLO violence against Israelis and Lebanese, as well as the Syrian occupation.

On media coverage. When Palestinian violence garners unfavorable publicity, Khalidi's response it to blame the messenger, not the murderers. Thus, in response to Palestinians lynched two off-duty Israeli officers on October 12, 2000, Khalidi did not critique the perpetrators of this crime, but railed against the "prostitute" and "cynical" media that dared to show Palestinians triumphantly displaying bloodied hands after the killings. In like spirit, he faults not those Palestinians who erupted in joyous street celebrations at the murders of 3,000 Americans on 9/11, but the media for having the temerity to report these occurrences.[ix]

 

[SolomonVII]

Care to actually reply to some of what I posted and hold the insults?

Thanks.

Not really. There is just no argument that works with liberals anyways.
I have come to prefer to mock the ridiculousness of their comparisons, the silliness of their moral equivalence ideas, their total lack of wisdom in discerning proportion, and their emotionalism, rather than to continue to reply with facts and arguments.

I have learned long ago that rational arguments only are effective with people who think with their minds rather than their hearts. Modern liberals by and large are impervious to rationality for that very reason. It is all about 'compassion' and 'feeling'. Even result do not count as long as the compassion is there.

You say Gordon Libby. My reply is Bill Ayers. If you do not see the humor in the the comparison, then you are, by definition, a modern liberal for the reason that I have already elucidated above.

 

[SolomonVII]

Liddy did the time for the crime; break in and spy on democrats~he's an uberpatriot and not a scumbag terrorist; not a real good comparison to Ayers who wanted to blow up stuff and kill people..but hey give the libs an E for effort..

Have you ever met a modern liberal that does not realize how foolsish making these comparisons makes them look?

I can't remember the last time I met a liberal like that actually. At every level of the debate, these are the kind of comparison that they are making.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Liddy did the time for the crime; break in and spy on democrats~he's an uberpatriot and not a scumbag terrorist; not a real good comparison to Ayers who wanted to blow up stuff and kill people..but hey give the libs an E for effort..

So the planned kidnappings...that was just for funsies I guess?

Not really. There is just no argument that works with liberals anyways.
I have come to prefer to mock the ridiculousness of their comparisons, the silliness of their moral equivalence ideas, their total lack of wisdom in discerning proportion, and their emotionalism, rather than to continue to reply with facts and arguments.

I have learned long ago that rational arguments only are effective with people who think with their minds rather than their hearts. Modern liberals by and large are impervious to rationality for that very reason. It is all about 'compassion' and 'feeling'. Even result do not count as long as the compassion is there.

You say Gordon Libby. My reply is Bill Ayers. If you do not see the humor in the the comparison, then you are, by definition, a modern liberal for the reason that I have already elucidated above.

If that floats your boat more power to ya.

I'm trying my best to talk about all this election stuff without being outright insulting. I must tell you it is difficult!! But in the end...worth it.

 

[Hentenza]

Hey WWC,

I see that you posted your attack on McCain and others responded with Obama's own tainted associations but you have not responded to any of those. Care to respond?

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Hey WWC,

I see that you posted your attack on McCain and others responded with Obama's own tainted associations but you have not responded to any of those. Care to respond?

Hey!


I actually structured my OP to not come off as an attack as much as I could. For all the good it did! lol

I have posted some responses and asked followup questions. But I have realized that no matter what I say this is only going to spiral into a scrap.
I am more than willing to call this one a draw...or something close to it.
I'm not in this thread for the win. I really wanted to hear some analysis on McCain and Liddy...and I got that pretty much.
The thread has served its purpose nicely!
SRSLY.

Politicians have dirty associates who are either criminals, terrorists or worse. McCain isn't immune and neither is Obama apparently.


Good discussion all.

 

[Thekla]

Sorry if I don't belong in this thread or forum -- feel free to ask me to leave if this isn't ok !

But I saw the thread title, and thought to look in.

In April 1999, McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., co-sponsored the "Kosovo Self-Defense Act" with the goal of arming the KLA in their battle against the Serbs.

McCain co-sponsored the legislation despite serious concerns voiced at that time in Republican policy forums, warning the KLA was a criminal terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.

from this article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57678


I wondered if the McCain backing of the KLA was a matter of concern for conservative folks. Frankly, I never considered voting for McCain because of this. (And never for a number of Democrats - including Biden - for the same reason).

Again, sorry if this was an intrusion; I was just curious

 

[SolomonVII]

I wondered if the McCain backing of the KLA was a matter of concern for conservative folks. Frankly, I never considered voting for McCain because of this. (And never for a number of Democrats - including Biden - for the same reason).

Of course it is an area of concern. It is also rather galling that Serbian became so whipped up with nationalistic fevor. In an environment of rape-camps and ethnic cleansing and massacres with mass graves, and every indication of yet another genocide, that most Western nations felt motivated to aid a population of Muslims against their Christian neighbours is also totally understandable.

The break up of Yugoslavia was a horrific affair. There was no good side to support, only greater and more immediate evil and lesser evils.

Many conservatives would blame the Clinton administration for taking the course of action that they did. It is clear to even more of us however, apparently McCain and liberal Lieberman included, that the last thing that Europe need was yet another ethnic cleansing.

 

[Thekla]

Of course it is an area of concern. It is also rather galling that Serbian became so whipped up with nationalistic fevor. In an environment of rape-camps and ethnic cleansing and massacres with mass graves, and every indication of yet another genocide, that most Western nations felt motivated to aid a population of Muslims against their Christian neighbours is also totally understandable.

The break up of Yugoslavia was a horrific affair. There was no good side to support, only greater and more immediate evil and lesser evils.

Many conservatives would blame the Clinton administration for taking the course of action that they did. It is clear to even more of us however, apparently McCain and liberal Lieberman included, that the last thing that Europe need was yet another ethnic cleansing.

Clearly, in that situation, there were no "good guys". (Serbian Orthodox heirarchs had tried to warn both the Pres. and Congress about Milosevic, to no avail). OTOH, I am one of those who await forensic confirmation for the numbers to match reports. IMO, its a "WMD" thing ... All life lost is unthinkable; to lie about life lost degrades the memory of those who did suffer. And I am one of those who wondered why the US media failed to report the (soon to be) KLA anti-Christian, anti-Muslim (moderates) violence leading up to the Serbian backlash. And the failure to report ... a great deal that did not get reported here. If you have about 30-40 hours, and the interest to really look into the matter (using non-US sources), a much different picture begins to emerge.

 

[SolomonVII]

Clearly, in that situation, there were no "good guys".

And that is exactly why there is no good reason to condemn McCain or anyone for taking the stands that they did back then. Taking a stand against the ethnic cleansing taking place does not equate with befriending the terrorists who were among those being ethnically cleansed.