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lordworshipper

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Okay, I am not 100% certain this goes here, but I think it definitely goes with society, as it has more to do with society and how they act, than it does anything else. It has to do with morals, at least as far as whether or not you should judge, but if it best fits elsewhere, please mods, feel free to move it wherever.

I have noticed this recently, as I've been trying to find a better job, I've had to put off church on Thursdays, and just go Sundays. Now, regardless of when you think you should or shouldn't go to church, there is a larger issue here, and one that we really shouldn't over look. I think pastors and everyday christians alike should realy look into this.

I've just lost time to go to church 2 days a week. Though I am not Baptist, I go with my brother to his Baptist church, and people have grown critical of me for not going on Thursdays, I was even called lazy by one member for skipping a day.

Now, I understand not all christians are like that, because I am not like that nor are most I know. But the point is, some are, and they end up debating with atheists and talking down to others, making the faith look bad, and as a result, chase people away from the religion making it look like what its not.

As Jesus said, "do not judge lest ye be judged", and there was also a verse, where he stated that we are all sinners, and that none of us are innocent. What is worse, me not going to church at all? Or committing worse sins like Adultery against my wife if i had one?

I mean, many christians have become judgemental. And it is a problem, both from a theological standpoint, and from the standpoint of making christians look unfriendly.

Jesus taught us to love all others, and not judge them, even our enemies he told us to love. We need to be understanding as well, but thats not as much biblical (maybe it is) as much as it is part of showing the compassion in which our faith demands.

Its a moral obligation also to do so, and to not be so critical of others so readily when we aren't perfect ourselves. there was only one man who was perfect, and I do believe he's been off the planet since 30 AD, so perhaps he should be judge. It is also a moral obligation from another standpoint, not just thologically, but by everything that it means to be human.

Peace and well being, sorry I went on and on, I tend to type as a thought comes. Its just something I have been thinking about, and its something I wanted to share and get more opinions on.
 

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I believe you are right, the church has become filled with people who are overly judgmental...even to our own brothers and sisters. This IS an urgent issue, since many become hard-hearted within, and outside the body of christ because of it. I have a question though, how do you think the church can address urgent issues such as this within itself? I think the answer is in the book of Revelation, when Jesus speaks to the churches...or rather the He speaks of the PROBLEM in the book of Revelation. Problem is that too many people in the church are too self-righteous to see problems within themselves. Thank you for posting what you have Lordworshipper, I think as members of the body of christ, we should continuously work to help each other out concerning moral issues that we see.
 
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The story of criticism is a common one when it comes to the baptist denomination (especially in the south).

My mom's entire side of the family grew up that way and they definitely like to throw stones...they even went as far as telling my mom that she needed to ask for forgiveness for "letting me" become a non-christian (I was 22 when they finally found out :doh:)

I can't tell you what to do, but if you don't mind a suggestion...I would recommend seeking out more laid back churches if you don't want to be hounded for not going to tri-weekly bible studies and saturday morning bake sales.
 
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I believe you are right, the church has become filled with people who are overly judgmental...even to our own brothers and sisters. This IS an urgent issue, since many become hard-hearted within, and outside the body of christ because of it. I have a question though, how do you think the church can address urgent issues such as this within itself? I think the answer is in the book of Revelation, when Jesus speaks to the churches...or rather the He speaks of the PROBLEM in the book of Revelation. Problem is that too many people in the church are too self-righteous to see problems within themselves. Thank you for posting what you have Lordworshipper, I think as members of the body of christ, we should continuously work to help each other out concerning moral issues that we see.
What I was thinking is preach more the verses where Jesus specifically states not to judge, then it would make those who do come to the realization that, "maybe I am not supposed to be doing this".

The story of criticism is a common one when it comes to the baptist denomination (especially in the south).

My mom's entire side of the family grew up that way and they definitely like to throw stones...they even went as far as telling my mom that she needed to ask for forgiveness for "letting me" become a non-christian (I was 22 when they finally found out :doh:)

I can't tell you what to do, but if you don't mind a suggestion...I would recommend seeking out more laid back churches if you don't want to be hounded for not going to tri-weekly bible studies and saturday morning bake sales.
I live in upstate new york, so it exists up here equally so. You'd swear this was the southern baptist dominated region. I don't know where it got started, but this commonly held belief that we should be allowed to throw stones has gotta be corrected. :amen:

Glad to hear what you guys think. Thanks. Peace and well being!
 
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I may be out of place making a comment about this, but your situation is similar to that of my family's (when we all went to church together). Some difficult circumstances made it very hard to keep up a regular attendance. I was young (like six or thereabouts) and was very upset about this because I thought that this made us all bad Christians.
My ma told me that God wouldn't care if we prayed to Him in our home or in his house and that He, in His ultimate wisdom, would understand that just because we didn't attend as much as we used to, it didn't mean we didn't love Him or weren't just as devoted. She said that belief and faith regardless of congregation was more important than showing up at church at regular intervals.

And honestly, it's no one's business but yours how often or when you go to church.
 
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