Matthew 7:24-27

[ratchet30]

Please read this passage. Could this mean that the person who built the house on sand will go to hell? When Jesus says to do His words in v. 24 does that just mean to believe in Him or to also obey Him commands?

 

[57Logos]

If you read Matthew 7:21-23, I think it make it appearance that real faith, requires fruit (Matthew 7:15-20). That is if we do His commandments that is too love God and our neighbour (Matthew 22:37-40; John 13:34-35; 15:12-13).

I believe this is the true message James gives un in James 2:8-17. That is faith without works is dead. Paul tells us that the work of faith is love (Galatians 5:6).
For to love our neighbour is to fulfill the law (Romans 13:8-10; Galatians 5:13-14).

 

[chesedamnah]

I don´t think that that is what that passage means. We talked about this passage briefly in my Bible class the other day. Water and especially floods sometimes (or actually most of the time thing about Psalms) symbolize chaos and evil in the Bible. So when I read the passage to me it sound like:
The wise mean builds his house on solid ground and evil came and chaos...but it stood becuase it was built on Jesus (since I think Jesus is the rock). The foolish man built his house on the sand and evil and chaos came and it fell, becuase it was not built on Jesus as the rock. Which is kind of similar to his story of the seeds that fall on the ground, but quickly get suffocated by thorns (Matt. 13) Does that make sense?

 

[RBarnes]

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee [Moses], and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 5:20 - Matt 7:23 (Jesus' Sermon)

Matt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Clearly Jesus has authority from the Father to deliver commandments to men, of which they are accountable to keep - just like the ancient Israelites were required to keep the law as it came through the mediator Moses. But the new laws are not grievous as were the old (Acts 15:10, Matt 11:30, 1 Jn 5:3). The question is: "if people disobey or deny them, will they be excluded from the kingdom?" I believe the answer is yes. It's helpful to ask, if that is NOT what Jesus meant, what DID he mean? Did he mean the person who disregarded his commandments would face worldly trouble much like a person would if he built a house on sand? I think not. The earliest disciples all followed Jesus commandments to a "T" and they endured brutal persecution and shame in the world. It's much more consistent to understand Jesus warning as a grave one pertaining to the world to come.

Moreover, consider some of the apostolic writing in light of the scriptures quoted above...

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. (note: same greek word "fall")

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him [Jesus], if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jesus was a mediator of the New Covenant under which men would either rise or fall. Beware of teachers today who endorse antinomianism - for God hates iniquity and lawlessness (Hebrews 1:9, Psalm 5:5, Matt 23:28).

Thanks for the great question, Ratchet30!

 

[healthyralph]

hmm, I always wondered about this one too - very insightful posts. Thank you. This made it very clear:

Clearly Jesus has authority from the Father to deliver commandments to men, of which they are accountable to keep - just like the ancient Israelites were required to keep the law as it came through the mediator Moses. But the new laws are not grievous as were the old (Acts 15:10, Matt 11:30, 1 Jn 5:3). The question is: "if people disobey or deny them, will they be excluded from the kingdom?" I believe the answer is yes. It's helpful to ask, if that is NOT what Jesus meant, what DID he mean? Did he mean the person who disregarded his commandments would face worldly trouble much like a person would if he built a house on sand? I think not. The earliest disciples all followed Jesus commandments to a "T" and they endured brutal persecution and shame in the world. It's much more consistent to understand Jesus warning as a grave one pertaining to the world to come.

Thanks again

 

[daviddub]

Let's be clear floods symbolize the judgement of God. Secondly, in that verse 24 starts "therefore," you CANNOT start at verse 24. You must go back at least to 21. It is all one thought. If you read the whole thought, many of your questions should be answered. those who don't do the will of the Father shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. We need to revisit the Gospel that Christ preached, not the thing most of us have heard which poses as the Gospel.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Maybe it is a call for rational pre and post faith Christian epistemological foundationalism rather than 'blind' belief without developing coherent understanding of its virtue. What I can rationally grasp is more central to my faith than the likes of miracle stories. So faith for me is not philosophically vacuous nor at heart so radical as to cblatantly call for logical dismissal.

 

[angelist]

The whole world believed that the gods before Jesus without a father.in balkans son of the goddes (afrodit) is adonis.in Anatolia son of the goddess (kibele) is artis.in mesopotamia son of the goddess(iştar) is temmuz,in egypt son of the goddess (isis) is horus.in hinduism is şiva, in pers empire is mitra.The common feature of all these gods is that they are a father sacrifice.they believed that the whole world was very important at that time and currently the magic is important.Jesus, Moses and Mohammed said that the greatest sin of magic.speed suleyman why he was so interested in magic.Muslims, Jews, according to the king by the prophet Suleiman why the prophet.There were 4 people önemlidir.2 return it they are so evil king and nebukednazar suleyman ediyorlardı.hz krallardı follow the demons that followed Allah and the Prophet Dhu'l-Qarnayn.prophet suleyman found a request by God.asked for his command all demons.Whoever maliciously not call them.they built the temple of suleyman.techniques are seals and burned a portion Papers.hid the rest under the throne.Jewish rabbis demons whispered in their place.they found them said.this information, we can rule these creatures.does not mean that Prophet Solomon, the king pretends they say.this was not right.This information was given by god(Allah).Allah said: since you worship demons,prohhet solomon will show you the day.Moses, you are dealing with magic show day.fatherless worship demons. I build without a fatherlike first human (adam).so the prophet Jesus was born without a father.I say what I say all this as proof that examine the pre-Christian beliefs in the world ..

 

[angelist]

Chistianity was formed to be accepted by roman Empire. And roman empire believes has been used for the same purpose.sculture was very important job and sculture art came in use by the church.jesus was a jewish as you know.jesus was circumcised.but commander comidius in roman empire ended the practice of circumcition in A.D. 212.they said: religious belief is in the heart of human beings.jesus came from jewish religion he didnt eat pork.exorcisim was taken out from human beings and given to the porks by Jesus .why did jesus didn t give demons to the other animals.please think this…and they said:the foods served from heaven had pork.but modern science prooved how harmful pork to human beings.because pig food is harmful to human beings health.pigs have weak indigestion.does the god (Allah) want human beings eat un healthy food ?before christianity they ate bull meats and drank bull blood for their gods on Sundays in the temple.bull meat was presented to bodies of to their gods.for that reason roman empire after accepted christianity Sundays became holy religious day.the sun was the symbol of their gods.because of this reason the sun behind jesus was used as symbol in church paintings.in English language word sunday comes from .besides when we look at the statues of god from that period,we see three finger symbol pointing by using hands.the pictures show the devil with a spear(three sharp spear points) in his hand.To be continued.. god (allah)be with you…

in addition to all this,candle and incense is very important by demons calling ceromanies. incense and candle became into practice ceromanies in the church in old days.The Aztecs used human sacrifice, as in many primitive tribes.they sacrificed human beings and priest peeled the skin and put it on himself.during three weeks ,people told their sins to the priest and people thought ,their sins should atach on the skin and the priest after taking off the skin and burned. sins confessions ceromonies in the churchs were taken from this practice. after jesus ,Bible was written in council in A.d 325. jewishs and roman soldiers were in that council . for the first time jesus was accepted as god in A.d 325 by this council .before ad 325 jesus was not accepted as god. Christians in the Middle East today, Christians in Anatolia (Syriac) ,Christians in Egypt are prostrate in the churchs. According to the eastern churches ,soul of jesus is god’s soul.body of jesus is god’s body. According to the western churchs:soul of jesus is god’s soul but body of jesus is human beings body.how can it be possible differences in expressing.According to muslim ;jesus is prophet,left earth and he will come back. Muslims are waiting second coming of Jesus. The human brain is very interesting.a blind person dont know colors.human brain interprets,develops objects what he sees.we can not think not to see god in our minds. human mind can interpret objects accordingly.according to İslam: Adam’s not in the image of God. because God is not like any created.God didnt rest after create earth 6 days.because god doesnt tire.God is unborn.God doesnt have son and doughter.l thought like that: if this book belongs to Gods sayings,it must contain scientific expressions. When l read ,l was shocked.Therefore darkpowers dont want you to realise these miracles in this book.l will send scientific expressions

 

[angelist]

translation of a sentence different from the above output.There were 2 evil king.these are nebukednezar and Nimrod.but Zulqarnain ve suleiman(solomon) were following GOD(ALLAH)and [FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']please search egypt religion before christiyanity.Horus was born from virgin isis.He was killed.3 days later he resurected.40 days lived.horus is known as lamb.he represented as lion.he was baptized by anup with water.he was get in the ship with 7 creatures to hunt fish.horus has short name krst according to old egypt language.there is one religion is the İslam.jesus will come and he will say this.jesus is prophet according to us.he is our prophet like moses and abraham ,muhammed.by the way ı can prove islam true religion.there are lot of things you dont know. in addition to all this,when horus was born ,3 stars (orion stars belt)would be in line with Sirius A star.3metaphysical creatures visited to mother of horus.her name is İsis.your liberty statue represent İsis.horus says the way,truth and life of my.horus have 12 followers.Christmas doesnt belong to Jesus.Santa claus was pagan priest.therefore rituel of the forest and the trees represent wears a red robe.l will explain later why these are like that.Anyway l asked myself.ıf god be if angels and demons as described in religions.ıf l am convinced that they are demons in this the existence of angels full argument.the 72 demons seals of solomon things l saw slaves learned how to call..prove the existence of the angels of god who created them exists,the existence of demons made sure that.if you need to have if god said it and teachings of a religion.ıf you have a book that should not be mentioned ıf it is his people would learn how to do it,scientific words that have been said 1400 years ago,these words must be proven scientific accuracy of the current time in.there is a religion book like that.[/FONT]