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[SOGFPP]

Just curious if anyone has a preference:

I prefer the Novus Ordo in English to the Latin Tridentine. Maybe it would be different if I was more comfortable with Latin ( I was confirmed this past Holy Saturday)...... I am just curious what other Catholics think.

All with Peter to Jesus through Mary!
Scott

 

[raptor13]

I prefer a Mass done reverently- whether it is Novus Ordo or Tridentine is of little issue as long as it is done with complete reverence to God.

 

[Carrye]

I prefer a Mass done reverently- whether it is Novus Ordo or Tridentine is of little issue as long as it is done with complete reverence to God.

Orthodox, reverent Masses are my preference as well. Latin, English, Spanish, or the language of the Munchkin People, I don't care.

 

[Michelina]

Orthodox, reverent Masses are my preference as well. Latin, English, Spanish, or the language of the Munchkin People, I don't care.

I've attended Mass in several Rites and languages. The common denominator is indeed orthodoxy and reverence. The Mass is a sacred ritual act of worship. It should be celebrated as such. When it is, it is beautiful.

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Except for the Munchkin Mass. Their voices drive me crazy. The yellow brick road painted down the center aisle just doesn't cut it for me, Carrie.

 

[Carrye]

Except for the Munchkin Mass. Their voices drive me crazy. The yellow brick road painted down the center aisle just doesn't cut it for me, Carrie.

One takes what she can get in Berkeley, Michelina.

 

[Paul S]

I prefer the Tridentine Mass, in Latin. I like the Latin, since it connects us with all the history of the Church and her holy saints, and it helps set apart prayer from ordinary speech. I also like the prayers in the Mass - I find the language of them much more beautiful and reverent, particularly when comparing them to the current English translation.

The most important thing, though, is receiving Our Lord in the Eucharist, so even though I'd prefer to attend only the TLM if it were available in the Church, I'll happily attend a NO and receive Communion.

 

[Archbishop 10-K]

Is there any possibility of a Tridentine Mass in English, with only the most common parts in Latin (Agnus Dei, Pater Noster, etc.)? The closest thing I can get to a "best of both worlds" is the Anglican-use liturgy.

 

[HappyMomof4]

I've never been to a tridentine mass. (I've been to a french one though) I heard there's one across the river and I'd like to go to it sometime. Is it really that different?

 

[Paul S]

Is there any possibility of a Tridentine Mass in English, with only the most common parts in Latin (Agnus Dei, Pater Noster, etc.)? The closest thing I can get to a "best of both worlds" is the Anglican-use liturgy.

Not anytime soon, most likely. Mass according to the 1962 Missal is only allowed to be said in Latin. Usually, though, the readings are read again in English as part of the homily, which is also in English.

The closest thing to the TLM in English is the 1965 Missal, which was used for a few years before the introduction of the NO in 1969.

I've never been to a tridentine mass. (I've been to a french one though) I heard there's one across the river and I'd like to go to it sometime. Is it really that different?

I think it is, especially when you compare it to the way the NO is often celebrated at too many parishes. There's no doubt that the TLM is anything other than a sacrifice being offered to God, whereas the NO too often turns into a celebration of community.

If you can find a really reverent NO, the two are close, but I still prefer the TLM. Here's a good side-by-side comparison of the two missals. The TLM text on that site is in English, but it's a good translation. The NO text is the approved ICEL version. Take a look at the translation of Eucharistic Prayer #1 (the Latin texts are identical except for the words of consecration). It also compares the Roman Canon with EP #2, which in most parishes is the one used on Sundays. You decide if the two are that different.

While the most important part, Jesus in the Eucharist, is the same in the two, I think the rest of the Mass is important, too. I think that the language we use to address God, especially in public liturgy, should be something grander than everyday speech.

I'll give one example here, the Nobis quoque peccatoribus, from the Commemoration of the Dead during the Canon:

To us sinners, also, Thy servants, who put our trust in the multitude of Thy mercies, vouchsafe to grant some part and fellowship with Thy holy apostles and martyrs; with John, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicitas, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia, and with all Thy saints. Into their company do Thou, we beseech Thee, admit us, not weighing our merits, but freely pardoning our offenses: through Christ our Lord.

For ourselves too, we ask some share in the fellowship of your apostles and martyrs, with John the Baptist, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, (Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicity, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia), and all the saints. Though we are sinners, we trust in your mercy and love. Do not consider what we truly deserve, but grant us your forgiveness.

 

[mheffernen5]

Just curious if anyone has a preference:

I prefer the Novus Ordo in English to the Latin Tridentine. Maybe it would be different if I was more comfortable with Latin ( I was confirmed this past Holy Saturday)...... I am just curious what other Catholics think.

All with Peter to Jesus through Mary!
Scott

Hi Scott, nice to hear you got Confirmed and congratulations really late I never have learned Latin mass but I had an opportunity to go to a Spanish mass last year but couldn't because of a Christmas concert rehearsel...our concert was on a Sunday night. I prefer English since I can understand it much better.

 

[Irenaeus]

Personally,

I'm not too crazy about the Tridentine Mass because I can't hear what the Priest is saying, nor can I participate.

I like to participate. I love to sing. Where I have been for a Tridentine Mass, at least, there was none of that.

I believe that truly the common denominator of a "good mass" is reverence and orthodoxy. This can be done in any language or liturgical setting.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I think that Latin masses are all well and good, but I think it's important for the parishoners to be able to understand what's going on, and not everyone (myself included) understands any Latin other than the very basics. Latin masses are beautiful, but I find it hard to pay attention, because I can't understand what's being said.

 

[wellab]

I prefer a Mass done reverently- whether it is Novus Ordo or Tridentine is of little issue as long as it is done with complete reverence to God.

I agree, with reverence.
I also like if people stick to the Canon law on postures at Mass, so the whole congregation is follow the Code and doing it together. I hate when people hold hands during the Our Father. That is inappropriate. It was picked up by some who must visit some Protestant worship services quite often. It bugs me a lot. And most pastors never say boo about it.

 

[Paul S]

I'm not too crazy about the Tridentine Mass because I can't hear what the Priest is saying, nor can I participate.

I like to participate. I love to sing. Where I have been for a Tridentine Mass, at least, there was none of that.

One can participate at Mass without speaking. At the TLM, the participation is inward, following the priest's prayers in the Missal and meditating on the Sacrifice.

When I first started going to the TLM, I felt the same way. I wanted to sing along and say the prayers. Over time, though, I've come to better appreciate the silence and can better focus on Jesus in the Eucharist, not having to remember what I have to say next. It also helps show the separate roles of the priest and the congregation - some things are for God alone to hear, not us.

 

[PeterPaul]

Everyone understood the Tridentine Mass for centuries. It seems we are dumber today for some odd reason, even though the English language is opposite the missal, so how anyone can argue they don't understand is beyond me.

Participation exists in the Latin Mass, because you are speaking, thinking, feeling and meditating all at the same time. If you mean doing things outside the "performance" of the assembly, then I'm sorry, but no, there is nothing (nor should there be).

I'm appalled at some of the answers here, even from "reverent" posters. The Church obviously was mistaken for so many centuries, and the Novus Ordo allowed the world to breathe some fresh air.

Well take me on a time machine anyday.

 

[Carrye]

It seems we are dumber today for some odd reason

Speak for yourself!

 

[PeterPaul]

Speak for yourself!

Well, apparently the three fluent languages I speak benefitted me. It wasn't that I turned my neck to the right ever so slightly to read the Latin translation, but my superior intellect.

 

[PeterPaul]

Speak for yourself!

Well, apparently the three fluent languages I speak benefitted me. It wasn't that I turned my neck to the right ever so slightly to read the Latin translation, but my superior intellect.

 

[Carrye]

Well, apparently the three fluent languages I speak benefitted me. It wasn't that I turned my neck to the right ever so slightly to read the Latin translation, but my superior intellect.

Post it twice and rub it in, why don't you, Mr. I Have Such a Superior Intellect!

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Post it twice and rub it in, why don't you, Mr. I Have Such a Superior Intellect!

ROFL!!!!