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Skip, you state that the MasonicInfo page contains information that is totally untrue. Can you please elaborate for the uninformed what that untruth is?

You might also contact the page owner who is a very active Mason and get both sides of the story.
 
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ChristianMasonJim said:
Skip, you state that the MasonicInfo page contains information that is totally untrue. Can you please elaborate for the uninformed what that untruth is?
I'd be happy to point out a few for you.


Here are some comments from the Masonicinfo (MI) website with my commentary attached.

Concerning Steven Tsoukalas: MI is quoting from the preface of Steven’s book, but the above is not what he wrote. Here are the relevant passages: Note three things: 1) Steven did not directly refer to Freemasonry as being 'evil.' I'd guess he, like me, made such a conclusion, but he did not describe it as such in his preface. 2) He didn’t come to a position about Freemasonry until after he had studied it’s literature. Based on what he heard on the program, he was certainly concerned and related his concerns to his father. 3) Steven does not say that he tried to convince his father to leave Masonry right after the program; rather, he raised his concerns with his father about what the program had to say. One can assume the issue of membership came up, but MI goes too far in its assumptions.
MI: In fact, Mr. Tsoukalas seems to take great pride in having convinced his father to give up his membership shortly prior to his death in 1989.
Here is what Steven wrote in the same preface:
It is therefore with all praise and honor to Jesus Christ that I dedicate this book to the memory of my father, who, in case you are wondering, did renounce Masonry a few months before his death in 1989.
Steven does not say he convinced his father to leave, nor is any ‘great pride’ indicated in his comment. He probably did have much to do with his father’s decision, but the MI folks put words into his mouth for their own reasons.
The above is an outright lie, followed by a falsehood. In the first place, Steven did properly cite the quote in his footnote 17 on page 39 of his book (he also referenced Coil's in footnote 11, same page, and in the book's bibliography). The MI statement is an example of intentional deception, which they have left intact. They ignored his cite and substituted instead the 2nd edition of Coil’s Masonic Encyclopedia which came out the same year as Masonic Rites and Wrongs. The 2nd edition was a hatchet job intended to remove the embarrassing conclusions reach by Coil. As to the falsehood, the MI statement implies that Steven corrected the cite, when in fact he didn’t: it was correct from the beginning, as they well knew.

Concerning me: In the first place, it’s not “T. A.; rather, it’s “T.N.”. Secondly, they avoided the issue. I never said “the amount spent by Masons per year is far too small!” That is a complete fabrication and has not been withdrawn.

Concerning Larry Kunk: There is no ‘tax avoidance’ involved in the group’s funding. The truth of the matter is that Ephesians 5-11 is a 501(C)(3) entity, meaning it has met all the requirements to become one. In seeking such a status, the organization must state its purpose and file annual returns of its income. If MI is so interested in the organization’s funding, they only need to ask the IRS for a copy of its tax return.

As to the false charge of it being a 'tax ruse,' such organizations' tax-exempt status primarily benefits the contributor, not the organization. Anyone contributing to such organizations can deduct the amount as charitable giving on their own tax returns. Thus "all U.S. taxpayers" may benefit from that facet of the law. As well, Mr. Kunk does not personally benefit from the 501(C)(3) rules as MI states. He is personally subject to the same tax code as we all are.
MI: In the late 1990s, Larry began offering a number of (mostly quite old) Masonic Monitors (the books published with the various 'rituals' in them) for sale and/or download on his web site in violation of copyright laws.
The comment above is untrue. Ephesians 5-11 is in full compliance with the copyright laws of this nation, as MI knows. MI also implies that the age of the Masonic document somehow impacts on its veracity. Yet I have a 1997 NC GL Monitor (Bahnson) that is a direct copy of the original, which was published in 1892. For Masonic rituals and monitors, changes occur very slowly over time; thus older documents are usually good references.

In closing, the Masonicinfo website is a good one to read to see Masonry in action. They are mainly concerned with character assassination and deception in order to trash those who criticize Freemasonry. The website clearly shows the true Masonic nature and how far Masons will go to attack their critics. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Skip, you state that the MasonicInfo page contains information that is totally untrue. Can you please elaborate for the uninformed what that untruth is?

As you see, "totally untrue" is....well, totally untrue. Not only does his argument have nothing to do with "Masonic Profane-ity," i.e. the Masonic use of the word "profane" which is the topic of this thread, but it amounts to a list of "distinctions without a difference."

In other words, Skip would word this or that in a slightly different way, but he's forced to admit that Masonry is not evil as charged. And the big issues he wants you to know about? Mainly, we now have--

1. Skip has a hunch about what the writer actually thought.

2. A mistake was made about his middle initial. It's "N" instead of "A."

3. And he thinks we can "assume" some matters of little consequence as he has done.

And that's what a professional opponent of Masonry who has all day, every day, to work at his undertaking is able to come up with. That's the explanation of his claim about the "totally untrue" material he thinks you ought to be alarmed about.
 
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Is there any way one could go about becoming a Mason if they don't personally know any members? I've heard you have to be invited by someone who is already a member. I've wanted to become a mason for a while now actually. I like the charity work I see the Masons doing, the way Masons seem to help each other out, and also have an interest in Masonic philosophy and ritual.
 
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If you don't personally know a mason, consult the internet. Find a lodge near your home and call the secretary of the lodge.

Normally they'll invite you in for a meeting. You'll be required to fill out some paperwork. Fairly painless.
 
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This is were I started: AskaFreemason.org :. Home.

In my grand lodge it is against our rules to ask men to join. The catch phrase is to be one ask one (2b1ask1).
 
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You absolutely can do it! Just go to the internet (as Simpleman has already said) and look up the website of the Grand Lodge of Whatever State. It most likely has a listing of local lodges with the address of the Secretary. Send an email and tell him what you are thinking, and you will certainly be contacted.

The misunderstanding here appears to be the idea of knowing a Mason personally. That isn't a requirement. Asking to be considered for membership rather than being recruited is what people mean when that issue is raised, not that you have to have friends who are already Masons. In this case, you are asking to be one without being cajoled into it.

By the way, Freemasonry is so deeply steeped in the Judeo-Christian tradition and respectful of our country's flag and history that, although the fraternity is as open to men of liberal religious and political views as it is to those of other persuasions, it is hardly an assembly of men who see themselves as above or beyond all of that.
 
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I find in my Grand Lodge men of many religious and political persuasions left, right and middle. But since we don't discuss religion or politics in lodge it is a great place to meet people of many different backgrounds that you might not meet otherwise.
 
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Of course that's so. But anyone expecting Masonry to be so neutral as to be devoid of references to God and Country will find himself mistaken. For one example, you not only present the flag of the United States in lodge but salute it and recite the Pledge.
 
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Yes, agreed.
 
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