Mashiach Now! /

[Mevaser]

Mashiach Now! / משיח עכשיו

A Great Holy King has arisen from the House of David. Possessing chochma, binah and da'at (wisdom, knowledge and undestanding). Void of any evil. Possessing Torah and observant of the Mitzvot as they have been prescribed by the Torah of G-d. As David as his ancestor, He came to compel all Yisrael to walk in the way of Torah in Truth and with a circumcised heart (see Mattityahu 5), when He returns He will finish such holy work. When the House of Yisrael understands that He is indeed their King, He will return and reinforce the breaches and fight the Wars of G-d. He is the holy Mashiach! He came to try us, to refine us, and to clarify to us that the appointed time to believe had come and that His Return is at the set time in the near future, Exceedingly near, when all Yisrael will confess He is Yeshua; the Holy Mashiach!

WE WANT MASHIACH NOW!
אנחנו רוצים משיח עכשיו!

 

[Hix]

Well said!!

Yeshua came to heal the sick in HaShem and proclaim Torah, he has not fulfilled the prophesis regarding him which is why the Brit Hadasha records the Jews will not accept him (nor do they need to), but he will return and do so and they will believe he was A moshich.

BTW if you believe all this why do you have the magen david as your symbol thingy, I mean I consider myself an orthodox Jew also but have the messianic torah symbol so as not to confuse.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Mevaser]

Shalom Hix,

Judaism waits for Mashiach, is a mitzva to wait for Him, and to have emuna. So if you do not have emuna in Him, whether you like it or not. Then is a sin. So the only reason why Mashiach will come as He said is when the ones who rejected Him will say Baruch Haba BaShem HaShem. Nothing else will bring Him back.

So sorry to contradic to what you said. But the Jewish nation needs and must accept Yeshua as Mashiach before His coming. Just read Zecharya 12:10

Also about the Star of David, or a Messianic Torah. Well for one I do not know where to change that. But second all Judaism is Messianic.

Shabat Shalom

We want Mashiach Now!

 

[Hix]

lol Yes I know that its just it makes it easier to debate around here if you have a messianic symbol, non-messianics arent technically allowed to debate in here and it can be confusing.

Why do you say the Jewish people need to accept the messiah before his comming? Its not like they are going to lose their eternal atonement/covenant with HaShem made at Sinai, also Yeshua came for the sick, not the healthy

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[simchat_torah]

oops, what's that? I don't have an icon?

 

[Hix]

Yeah who are you? I dont think ive ever seen you before lol

 

[JewishHeart]

Mevaser,


תזהר יש ארי רע פא אצלנו

 

[JewishHeart]

(nor do they need to), - Hix


I am not ashamed of the bissurat Yeshua for it is the power of God and the yeshua for all those who believe, for the JEW FIRST....

" I have come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.."


Hix- your statement is unbiblical unless you don't believe the Brit HaChadasha is dvar elohim.

Hix- our orthodox brother- please understand that you are held accountable for every word you spout out. your opinions posted on this forum can mashpia ( effect) people for good and for bad. You yourself may be confused about your theology. Don't drag people into agreeing with you, for this is dragging people into heresy. On Yom HaNora you will be held accountable for every word that comes out of your mouth and how it affected people. You are now on a messianic forum ( which your theology proclaims you are not) with simple messianic people who believe truth, don't drag them into lies. Dat and Orthodox Judaism is very tempting for messianics and those snared by it only help to bring others down. As a leader in the messianic movement in Israel, I plea to you my dear brother that we don't need more messianic casualties.

Sean
Tel Aviv, Israel

 

[Hix]

Indeed you are right JewishHeart, just as you quoted Yeshua came for the LOST sheep in the house of B'nei Yisrael, and just as he told the Rabbi's he came for the sick nor the healthy. I think youd be surprised to know that alot of people here agree with me on this, unfortunatly you dont hold a surplus on truth, The Torah on the other hand does and it is mentioned over and over again how the Jews are saved through their eternal covenant. Yeshua came and taught Torah to those who needed to follow it. I apologise if my views dont fit with yours, however in my opinion they fit in perfectly in harmony with the Tanach and the Brit Hadasha, and it is in harmony which HaShem intended them to be, lo?

Anyway, this is an old thread, theres no need for discussion about it, so just let it rest. Toda rabba

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Linda8]

Indeed you are right JewishHeart, just as you quoted Yeshua came for the LOST sheep in the house of B'nei Yisrael, and just as he told the Rabbi's he came for the sick nor the healthy. Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

Hello Hix,

Could you please answer the questions I asked to give me insight regarding to

Yeshua being the lamb slain for all?

The questions are on the thread --- The Daily Sacrifices.....

 

[JewishHeart]

dual-covenant theology is nonsense that you would hear from the world council of churches or any other ecumenical group.

unfortunately, it is this very theology that some good believers in jerusalem have accepted and therefore it has led to blood on their hands.

there is a generation of jewish people out there that are lost without messiah yeshua whether you believe it or not, to believe otherwise is to be the watchman who didn't report and has blood on his hands

if you are right and I am wrong, then it doesn't matter about the salvation of the Jewish people and whether I am wrong

If I am right and you are wrong, then you have blood on your hands for not evangelizing

Paul said in Romans 9 that he was willing to give away his own eternal inheritance and salvation to see the Jewish people saved !!!! If they were saved under the first covenant then Paul is foolish for giving away such a precious thing to see someone saved who is already saved.

In Romans 10 Paul says his desire for Israel is that they be saved.

In Romans 11 Paul says that their salvation will bring a revival to the rest of the nations.

In Romans 1 it says the gospel is to the "JEW FIRST" as well as rewards and judgements in Romans 2.

Your twist of Yeshua's " I did not come for the healthy, but for the sick" is absurd. You can tell whether Yeshua thinks the Prushim ( modern rabbinical judaism) are sick or healthy in Matthew 23.

There are people out there who shed blood, sweat, and tears for the salvation of the Jewish people.Their burden is immense. They want mercy and hope for mercy for the Jewish people, but know that only the blood of Yeshua provides this. Therefore, like Paul was willing to give his eternal inheritance, these are willing to give their lives.

Dual-covenant theology is much like Calvinism in that it cools down the fire of evangelism.

Hix, I can't find your theology anywhere in the New Covenant unless I twisted alot of scriptures.

I'm a literalist and believe in interpreting the word of God according to cultural background, audience, etc... spiritually asking the Holy Spirit to change me from it.

Hix, notice also in Jeremiah that the Brit HaChadashah was for JUDAH!!!!

Your theology does not stand.

Just like God told the people of Israel that it is impossible to accept him and not accept his servant moses ( korah tried). So the one like Moses .... God will not allow you to accept him if you do not accept the Ebed Elohim.

 

[Hix]

dual-covenant theology is nonsense that you would hear from the world council of churches or any other ecumenical group.

I didnt hear it from any church, I read it in the Bible. Did I happen to mention it says well over 30 times in the Tanach that the covenant is not only eternal but the Jewish people should follow it as they can enjoy a relationship with HaShem through it? If you think its nonsence then you are calling the Torah nonsence.

unfortunately, it is this very theology that some good believers in jerusalem have accepted and therefore it has led to blood on their hands.

How has it lead to blood on their hands? The mass brutality caused against the Jews during the Crusades and the Inquisitions in the name of force converting to christianity derived from your very view. Once again, you cannot ignore what the Torah says nor what it promises the Jews if they are faithfull to it, which is exactly the reason they choose death over abandoning it.

there is a generation of jewish people out there that are lost without messiah yeshua whether you believe it or not, to believe otherwise is to be the watchman who didn't report and has blood on his hands

Why then does the Brit Hadasha specifically state that the Jews will NOT accept Yeshua as HaShem has made them blind towards him? Why did HaShem make them blind? Why would he do so if there were no other way to gain salvation? They will see in the end times and accept Yeshua then, for now those faithfull to the eternal covenant can enjoy a relationship with G-d and that is exactly what all the prophets and indeed Yeshua himself called for.

if you are right and I am wrong, then it doesn't matter about the salvation of the Jewish people and whether I am wrong
If I am right and you are wrong, then you have blood on your hands for not evangelizing

So your going to try and guilt me into ignoring the entire message of the Tanach? Nope not going to work.

Paul said in Romans 9 that he was willing to give away his own eternal inheritance and salvation to see the Jewish people saved !!!! If they were saved under the first covenant then Paul is foolish for giving away such a precious thing to see someone saved who is already saved.

As much as Paul would have loved to have seen the Jewish people accept that yeshua was messiah, he also admits that it is in G-ds plan that they do not. Once again of cource, your completely ignoring the entire message in the Tanach.

In Romans 11 Paul says that their salvation will bring a revival to the rest of the nations.

And this will happen in the Messianic Era.

Your twist of Yeshua's " I did not come for the healthy, but for the sick" is absurd. You can tell whether Yeshua thinks the Prushim ( modern rabbinical judaism) are sick or healthy in Matthew 23.

Yes indeed I can tell, he did not eat with them instead with the sinners as that is why he came. Isnt it funny how people like JewishHeart here say they are messianic, yet they ignore the entirity of the Torah and Tanach so as to twist the words of the Jewish messiah?

There are people out there who shed blood, sweat, and tears for the salvation of the Jewish people.Their burden is immense. They want mercy and hope for mercy for the Jewish people, but know that only the blood of Yeshua provides this.

Thats lovely. Torah says different.

Dual-covenant theology is much like Calvinism in that it cools down the fire of evangelism.

I wont trade the truth of what the Bible says in so that we can rekindle the "flame of evangelism", sorry.

Hix, I can't find your theology anywhere in the New Covenant unless I twisted alot of scriptures.

Its there, trust me it is. Oh and while your looking in the Bible how about reading the Tanach? open at any page and im sure youl find what Im saying.

Hix, notice also in Jeremiah that the Brit HaChadashah was for JUDAH!!!!

Im guessing you are refering to the new covenant mentioned? I couldnt agree with you more, well said and amen! Jeremiah states it will be a reknewal of the OLD covenant ie the One at Sinai when IT will be written in our hearts to perform it. Thats just what Yeshua did.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

 

[Henaynei]

I encourage both parties to review their posts before posting - I caution you to be very careful in avoiding personal attacks, no matter how emphatic you are feeling as you write. I doubt that the personal snides that are beginning to bloom will remain unpruned for long

 

[Hix]

Your right, apologies to all from me. Il be happy to see this thread die now >_<