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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?
 

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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?

Your uncle is not wise in thsi topic.

I can imagine, though, an old school Korean confucianist saying, "Boxing and wrestling come from the West; they are corrupting influences on our nation."

Martial arts is good because sometimes violence must be used to defend oneself or others and to do right.

It is also an excellent sport.

I went to the K1 Grand Prix in Seoul just two weeks past.
 
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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to Christianity?

Martial arts is not necessarily eastern. There are many matial arts locked away in mid-evil manuscripts that are being relearned as we speak.
 
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these I do know about, but to make it clear, I do not practice them, and I am not referring to them

nothing against them, I'm just not too familiar with them

It's good for you to teach yourself any discipline and you sound successful at what you do.

Stay active in it and do not let people who are not the voice of all Christians make those sort of statements. They are inaccurate and should not be representative of our religion.
 
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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?

I find that really interesting, since Greg Laurie and Raul Reise are both avid martial arts students.

I, myself, have studied martial arts and am asst. pastor of my church.

I think a lot of people hear Oriental sounding words and get confused.

Are there elements of martials arts that incorporate some New Age and Eastern philosophies that are at odds with Christianity, but they're not inherent in martial arts and you can easily dispense with them.
 
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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?
No.
Martial arts would more likely enhance your christianity by giving you discipline. Martial arts is no more a weapon or evil than guns, money, or literature.

And martial arts were NOT spawned by buddhism....
Buddhism and oher religions my have had great influences on how it was practiced, doesn't mean they created it....
And considering all themany different lines of martial arts, some have more "religiousity" about them and others with nothing to do with beliefs or anything like religion.
 
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from christians I have heard martial arts called, "nothing but violence and devil worship"

No offense, but do you only speak to Christians with below average IQs? Martial arts in no ways clashes with Christianity. I have been doing karate now for two years. Anyone who says otherwise clearly has no idea what they're talking about.
 
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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

You should teach me how to pop someone's heart when I punch them in the chest. Supposedly all you need is enough force to cause 2 inches of chest depression, so... like the equivalent of a 35 mph crash.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

Well that's just silly. I think buddhism has merit though. I'm also one of the few Christians who believes in chi, and the energy of your body. How else do Shaolin monks punch through car doors if not focusing all the energy of their body into that punch. I was actually looking up our bodies energy expenditure during strenuous activity, and within one moment, your body can release hundreds of watts of energy into an endeavour if it needs to. If you watch a shaolin monk before he punches through six concrete blocks or something, you'll see him focusing up, and pulling the chi from around his body into his arms and then he punches the blocks.

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?

No.

The more mystical sides of buddhism compromise me morally. But martial arts itself? No. Chi? No.
 
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You should teach me how to pop someone's heart when I punch them in the chest. Supposedly all you need is enough force to cause 2 inches of chest depression, so... like the equivalent of a 35 mph crash.
that would be a neat trick
Well that's just silly. I think buddhism has merit though. I'm also one of the few Christians who believes in chi, and the energy of your body. How else do Shaolin monks punch through car doors if not focusing all the energy of their body into that punch. I was actually looking up our bodies energy expenditure during strenuous activity, and within one moment, your body can release hundreds of watts of energy into an endeavour if it needs to. If you watch a shaolin monk before he punches through six concrete blocks or something, you'll see him focusing up, and pulling the chi from around his body into his arms and then he punches the blocks.

I'm one of the few martial artists who does not believe in chi/qi, but rather the raw power of the human mind, the intense focus that it can generate is amazing, this is how we evolved to become top of the food chain baby
 
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I'm one of the few martial artists who does not believe in chi/qi, but rather the raw power of the human mind, the intense focus that it can generate is amazing, this is how we evolved to become top of the food chain baby

See now I agree with you. The body is filled with energy, and when you focus your mind, you can utilize that energy in any manner you wish.

that would be a neat trick

I believe it's called the Dim Mak or something like that. It can only be done when someone has mastered the Iron Palm. Dunno if it's real or fabricated though. I saw it on Discovery channel on this show called fighting sciences. Some Ninjitsu pro did it.
 
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See now I agree with you. The body is filled with energy, and when you focus your mind, you can utilize that energy in any manner you wish.



I believe it's called the Dim Mak or something like that. It can only be done when someone has mastered the Iron Palm. Dunno if it's real or fabricated though. I saw it on Discovery channel on this show called fighting sciences. Some Ninjitsu pro did it.


most of dim mak is bull and most of ninjutsu is also bull. i'm not agreeing with the energy thing at all, just that the human mind and body is an amazing thing, yet I do still do chi/qi meditation, i find it relaxing


if the heart was that easy to pop then kyokushin competitions would be outlawed, i would say that it would be possible in an extreme case but if some one like mas oyama didn't do it then I'd say that it's not much more then a neat trick that penn and teller could have used a few years ago
 
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most of dim mak is bull and most of ninjutsu is also bull. i'm not agreeing with the energy thing at all, just that the human mind and body is an amazing thing, yet I do still do chi/qi meditation, i find it relaxing


if the heart was that easy to pop then kyokushin competitions would be outlawed, i would say that it would be possible in an extreme case but if some one like mas oyama didn't do it then I'd say that it's not much more then a neat trick that penn and teller could have used a few years ago

Yeah see 'cuz I heard the Dim Mak was a hoax from a few people, but then I saw some guy on fighting sciences do it to a dummy hooked up with electronics that would calculate the force of his punch, and how many inches of chest depression it would cause. When he punched the dummy, he caused 37 mph worth of force into the sternum which would have cracked the dummies ribcage back into his heart and put a hole in it... killing him. So I was hopeful that I could learn how to put a hole in someone's heart if they broke in my house, or killed my parents or something.

But you had to go and smash my dreams there didn't you. :p
 
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ok, now I've been practicing martial arts for the past 20 years, 3 black belts, been on two full contact national teams and taught in 2 countries.

any way my uncle continually says that if you do martial arts you cannot be a good person (christian is his idea of a good person) as martial arts is the spawn of the devils religion (Buddhism)

my question is, does doing martial arts compromise you morally according to christianity?
I dunno what principles he's going by when he says it's not good, but I go to a church where a number of members including myself are black belts... I don't see the problem with it. Good exercise.
 
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honestly you'd be better off learning mma, hsoujing do, krav maga, kyokushin then almost anything else to deal with an intruder
Have you done Krav Maga? What's it like? I've always been curious.
 
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BJJ my favourite grappling art of all time, sambo for take downs
I don't even practice it, but my friend is a 1st degree black belt in TKD and he told me all about it. He said that if he had the choice to learn any other martial art, it would be BJJ.
 
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Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I have a contribution to make :)

I am a Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu practitioner (ie. Ninjutsu) in one of the apparently few dojos in the world which actually trains hard and for realism. I can understand why your perspective is that "Most of Ninjutsu is bull", Chconcerned.

I am a Christian and have been for pretty much my entire life. I have been practising in the Buijinkan for about four years now and have, of course, been exposed to utilising energies. To me, this is a very real thing and is very easily demonstrable when you observe or practise Sakki tests. This is where you sense an attack coming from outside your field of vision. It is also interesting to experience first hand the effects of an attack being made with energy and intent behind it, not just physical strength.

I was skeptical at first of the spiritual aspects of Bujinkan, however through my own thought and study I came to my own conclusions which are easily demonstrated.

A couple of examples - If you enter a room just after there's been a fight, even if there is nobody in the room and you were unaware of the fight occurring, you can still 'feel' the negative energy. Likewise, if you walk into a room full of people truly enjoying themselves, you can feel the positive energy.

This is something that is inherent in all of life. Animals are especially attuned to energies and it helps to drive their instincts. If God enabled the animals of the world to feel and use these energies to their advantage, then why can we not do the same as human beings?

Getting back to my point, it is important to separate the concepts of a religious belief behind spiritual aspects of a martial art from the spiritual aspects themselves. I no longer believe that manipulating, feeling and using energies is sinful or wrong in any way (except when the practise is used to sin) as it is an integral part of how life functions. As always, of course, it is important to always put God and His commands to you above all else.

If God tells you to leave a martial art, either to take up another one or to no longer practise any art at all, then you are obligated to obey Him.

And don't forget that Christ told His disciples to carry swords to protect themselves from thieves and bandits. In today's society, life is no different - possibly worse.

In my eyes, my being capable of defending myself and my loved ones is a greater show of love than many other things. My sacrifice of time and capability to put myself in the firing line in order to keep my friends and family safe from would-be attackers to me is very important. If I failed to prevent someone from being killed when I know I could have prevented it, I would feel I had sinned through my inaction.

That being said, you can prevent someone else by sinning through being able to control them. What if you have a drunken relative who starts throwing chairs around the place in anger? Obviously you wouldn't want to hurt them, but if doing nothing puts others at risk then it is important that you are able to restrain this person.
 
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