Marriage definition.

[Sammy-San]

What does marry mean exactly? Cain and Abel didnt have a pastor or a rabbi.
13. On the Nature of the Marriage Union

538 In the Bible, premarital sex, if discovered, led to a forced marriage unless the father of the woman insisted otherwise (539 And the more common term (tame)implies “uncleanness,” an interruption of the wholeness or wholesomeness of life.540Marriage is never typified simply by the sexual act, or even by the idea of “one flesh.”541

It might be argued that a marriage is not final until sexual relations have taken place. Deuteronomy 20:7 speaks of a man who has become engaged to a woman but has not “taken” her yet. The woman is an “unclaimed blessing.” The text reveals that the covenant with her has not been consummated. But the term used (laqah) is not the most common Hebrew word for marriage, and in the Deuteronomic text it may simply be referring to consummation rather than to marriage per se. Beyond this, there are a number of other passages that understand the engaged couple to enjoy the same status before law as those persons in a fully consummated union, though they have not had sexual union.

 

[dreadnought]

What does marry mean exactly? Cain and Abel didnt have a pastor or a rabbi.
13. On the Nature of the Marriage Union

My suspicion has been that once a relationship between a man and woman has been consummated, the Lord views that couple as being married.

 

[Sammy-San]

My suspicion has been that once a relationship between a man and woman has been consummated, the Lord views that couple as being married.

fornication exists and its a sin.

 

[Radagast]

There is a long-standing definition of marriage where (1) the couple agrees to get married, (2) the marriage is consummated, and (3) the couple do whatever the community expects from married couples.

 

[Sammy-San]

There is a long-standing definition of marriage where (1) the couple agrees to get married, (2) the marriage is consummated, and (3) the couple do whatever the community expects from married couples.

thats a circular definiton.

 

[WolfGate]

thats a circular definiton.

I don't think it is circular, but I can see where the third item on the list might initially appear that way. The post lists three requirements which could define marriage. 1) agreement. 2) consummation. 3) pronouncement by way of societal laws, customs, etc.

Does that acknowledge that what makes someone married in one country/culture may not make them married in another? Sure, but that is not inconsistent with Rom. 13:5 which would indicate that obeying the laws of the land regarding marriage should be done. So I think the list from the prior post is worthy of consideration and not circular.

 

[Sammy-San]

I don't think it is circular, but I can see where the third item on the list might initially appear that way. The post lists three requirements which could define marriage. 1) agreement. 2) consummation. 3) pronouncement by way of societal laws, customs, etc.

Does that acknowledge that what makes someone married in one country/culture may not make them married in another? Sure, but that is not inconsistent with Rom. 13:5 which would indicate that obeying the laws of the land regarding marriage should be done. So I think the list from the prior post is worthy of consideration and not circular.

When I think of marriage, I think of two people having a wedding ceremony, moving in together, maybe a name change, maybe children… But I know that technically, none of those things are actually required for marriage. Marriage is essentially a legal document committed to and signed by both parties. (I hope I've got it all right so far!) Because I know that two good friends who aren't actually romantically interested in each other occasionally get married for tax benefits and other things…

Doesnt explain what it means to marry. What, exactly, is marriage? • r/NoStupidQuestions
Adam and Eve had were married before children and had no state benefits.

 

[Dave-W]

My suspicion has been that once a relationship between a man and woman has been consummated, the Lord views that couple as being married.

Disagree. If that were true then "fornication" would not be a sin.

 

[Sammy-San]

Disagree. If that were true then "fornication" would not be a sin.

is it wierd that i analyze such a common word?

 

[Dave-W]

What does marry mean exactly? Cain and Abel didn't have a pastor or a rabbi.

Marriage is a covenant; something we know very little of in our modern western world.

In the ancient near east, a covenant was a solemn agreement between 2 (or more) parties. It was spoken in the hearing of witnesses, and the requirements and benefits to each party was written down, in several copies. Then there was some kind of sacrifice made - shedding of blood. That inaugurated the covenant.

 

[Dave-W]

is it wierd that i analyze such a common word?

not really

 

[Sammy-San]

Marriage is a covenant; something we know very little of in our modern western world.

In the ancient near east, a covenant was a solemn agreement between 2 (or more) parties. It was spoken in the hearing of witnesses, and the requirements and benefits to each party was written down, in several copies. Then there was some kind of sacrifice made - shedding of blood. That inaugurated the covenant.

None of this existed for cain or adam either.

Marriage is a contract between two people that (usually) entitles them to certain benefits from the state -- lower taxes, the ability to inherit each other's possessions when one dies, can make decisions on the other's behalf (medical care, etc), receiving the spouse's social security benefits, able to set up special trusts for the other's use, usually the ability to file joint taxes (depends on country), that sort of thing.

 

[Sammy-San]

Marriage is a covenant; something we know very little of in our modern western world.

In the ancient near east, a covenant was a solemn agreement between 2 (or more) parties. It was spoken in the hearing of witnesses, and the requirements and benefits to each party was written down, in several copies. Then there was some kind of sacrifice made - shedding of blood. That inaugurated the covenant.

Ruth and Naomi had a covenant but weren't considered married.

 

[Dave-W]

None of this existed for cain or adam either.

While we do not know about Cain, Adam actually spoke a covenantal statement: "Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ..." in front of God as witness.

A primitive wedding ceremony.

 

[Dave-W]

Ruth and Naomi had a covenant but weren't considered married.

There are many different kinds of covenants; marriage is just one.

 

[Sammy-San]

While we do not know about Cain, Adam actually spoke a covenantal statement: "Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ..." in front of God as witness.

A primitive wedding ceremony.

It wasnt a sexual faithfulness vow?

angels arent male and female and dont marry.

 

[Dave-W]

It wasnt a sexual faithfulness vow?

No. It was a unity vow.

 

[Sammy-San]

No. It was a unity vow.

What does that mean?

Same sex marriage is unbibical and so is sibling marriage, even if platonic. Ruth and Naomi in a sense was a unity vow.

The stuff that is mixed with something doesn't define it-including a church or shared assets.

Marriage is a contract between two people that (usually) entitles them to certain benefits from the state -- lower taxes, the ability to inherit each other's possessions when one dies, can make decisions on the other's behalf (medical care, etc), receiving the spouse's social security benefits, able to set up special trusts for the other's use, usually the ability to file joint taxes (depends on country), that sort of thing.

 

[dreadnought]

Disagree. If that were true then "fornication" would not be a sin.

The point being that no one is supposed to have sexual intercourse with more than one person.

 

[Sammy-San]

The point being that no one is supposed to have sexual intercourse with more than one person.

Is that the definition of marry (faithfulness with sex vow)?