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15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; |
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. |
Not really, it says they will not listen to his epistles, just as they would not listen unto the "other scriptures" So, he calls one letters or epistles and the other holy writ documents or scriptures.In the KJV Peter refers to Paul’s writings as Scripture.
If you take the language literally the temple mentioned in 2 Thess 2:4 is the New Testament Temple. The word naos refers to the actual sanctuary of God (unlike the word hieron, which refers to the temple structure / buildings) and the word naos is not used again in reference to the temple in Jerusalem after the three verses in the synoptic gospels telling us about the tearing of the veil in the sanctuary of God of the temple in Jerusalem when Jesus died on the cross.Read Ezekiel chapters 8-9. Biggest clue in there as to what the mark of the beast is about.
The mark of the beast has been worn by occultists for thousands of years. It is the satanic symbol, not the tech embedded into it that makes it evil. Everyone has seen at least one version of it. It is the symbol of the occultic sun.
The rebuilt temple is meant to be taken literally. It's not just the Jews that want the temple in Jerusalem rebuilt...
smh. If the temple that John was instructed to measure merely symbolic of the church, then why would it have an outer court? And if the temple were the temple in heaven not earth, then why were the Gentiles trampling it underfoot? The passage only makes sense if the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.If you take the language literally the temple mentioned in 2 Thess 2:4 is the New Testament Temple. The word naos refers to the actual sanctuary of God (unlike the word hieron, which refers to the temple structure / buildings) and the word naos is not used again in reference to the temple in Jerusalem after the three verses in the synoptic gospels telling us about the tearing of the veil in the sanctuary of God of the temple in Jerusalem when Jesus died on the cross.
Acts' multiple references to the temple in Jerusalem use the word hieron, never the word naos. When Acts records the Jewish leaders accusing Paul of defiling "this holy place" (meaning the temple in Jerusalem), the words used are hagios topos (holy place).
In Acts we are told twice by the apostles of Christ that God does not dwell in a naos (God's sanctuary) made with (human) hands.
When Paul mentioned the temple in Jerusalem in his epistles, he used the word hieron. When he refers to the bodies of individual saints as the Temple of of God and the church as the Temple of God, he uses the word naos each time. So why would he have used the word naos in 2 Thess 2:4 if he was talking about a structure to be built in Jerusalem that many will call "the Temple of God"?
That structure will be a hieron, not the sanctuary (naos) of God. Even the inner sanctuary of that temple will be the hieron, not the sanctuary of God (naos).
Every reference to God's (heavenly) Temple in the Revelation uses the word naos.
The only verse that many choose to dispute is Revelation 11:1-2, which uses the word naos - but the holy city is mentioned in Revelation 11:2 and the Revelation calls New Jerusalem the holy city three other times, but never calls the other cities mentioned in the Revelation "the holy city, which are
Babylon the Great
The city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt where our Lord was cricified
The cities of the nations that fell when the 7th bowl was poured out.
Obviously the Revelation does not call the above cities the holy city - but it calls New Jerusalem or Mount Zion the Holy City three other times, aside from Revelation 11:2.
So because the temple in Revelation 11:1-2 is linked to the holy city in the verses, and the word naos is used in reference to the temple, it's way more likely that Revelation 11:1-2's temple is referring to the same temple mentioned in Revelation 13 that will be blasphemed by the beast - who Revelation 13:7 tells us will go to war against the saints and overcome them.
So if you indeed do choose to take the language literally (as you claim to) , then the temple mentioned in 2 Thess 2:4 and in Revelation 11:1-2 is the New Testament Temple - because the New Testament was not written in English - it was written in Greek, which maintains a consistent distinction between the naos (actual sanctuary of God) and hieron - a temple structure.
In our day hieron would be the church building. The naos (sanctuary of God) is only present when the saints are gathered in it, because where two or three are gathered together in Jesus' name, He is there in their midst.
smh. If the temple that John was instructed to measure merely symbolic of the church, then why would it have an outer court? And if the temple were the temple in heaven not earth, then why were the Gentiles trampling it underfoot? The passage only makes sense if the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.
It is important to note that if the Jesuits get what they want then this prophecy will be fulfilled literally to the t. No global conspiracy theory is complete without including the Society of Jesus someway, somehow. And if not the Jesuits, then another Luciferian organization with the exact same plan. I do not know all the twists and turns that'll play out in the future, but I do know that ultimately what is written will come to pass exactly as it was written.
The Mark of the Beast is simple, matters not what it is, you will be given a choice, (not me or the Church we will not be here) of do you want to serve this man or not. Join in and you can buy and sell. They did the same thing during Roman times, in order to shop in certain places you ad to be marked with a black marker pledging your allegiance to the Emperor.Read Ezekiel chapters 8-9. Biggest clue in there as to what the mark of the beast is about.
The mark of the beast has been worn by occultists for thousands of years. It is the satanic symbol, not the tech embedded into it that makes it evil. Everyone has seen at least one version of it. It is the symbol of the occultic sun.
The rebuilt temple is meant to be taken literally. It's not just the Jews that want the temple in Jerusalem rebuilt...
Rev. 11:1-3 gives us the "Parameters" of the Two-witnesses Ministry. Like Jesus they are sent only to the Jews, and to pray down plagues on the wicked. Thus by measuring it clarifies who they have been sent to turn back unto God, just as Malachi 4:5-6 states, Elijah will be sent back before (in the presence of or in the face of as in before a Kings face/presence) the DOTL.smh. If the temple that John was instructed to measure merely symbolic of the church, then why would it have an outer court? And if the temple were the temple in heaven not earth, then why were the Gentiles trampling it underfoot? The passage only makes sense if the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.
It is important to note that if the Jesuits get what they want then this prophecy will be fulfilled literally to the t. No global conspiracy theory is complete without including the Society of Jesus someway, somehow. And if not the Jesuits, then another Luciferian organization with the exact same plan. I do not know all the twists and turns that'll play out in the future, but I do know that ultimately what is written will come to pass exactly as it was written.
It wouldn't. Our Lod isn't returning to do a reboot of Temple Judaism.Generally it’s been taught that the antichrist is going to declare himself to be God in some rebuilt Jewish temple, but I’m wondering how a rebuilt Jewish temple would even be legit?
No, he doesn't. That's simply rubbish.This would also make sense because Satan has his counterfeit trinity
Why?The mark would probably be technology, such as cryptocurrency, implanted using advanced chips that we do not yet have in 2024. Something along the lines of Musk's Neuralink.
The little horn person in Daniel 8 commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:12-13. It will be the temple that will be made desolate of worship and praise of the One True God.
If so, it'll be an abomination. a repudiation of the once-for-all sacrifice of our Lord.So there will be a physical temple built on the temple mount.
They have stopped, for that very reason.Also part of the desolation act, the daily sacrifice (two lambs, one in the morning, on in the evening) will be stopped, which requires the presence of a temple.
So this lovely pacemaker/defibrilator/syncronizer I have stuck under my hide is the Mark Of The Beast. Right. And with the Covid Vax shots I took also being the MOTB, I'm doubly doomed, right? Dang.The Mark of the Beast is Transhumanism. It is the ultimate blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Which means no mechanical/electronic add ons, right?The Kingdom of God is the Word of God blueprints in the Soul.
Just my luck.Anyone who tampers with their original blueprints that God gave them are in danger of losing their Salvation. Never add or take away from God's Book...
My facial recognition features have changed out of all recognition over the past half century or so, so I reckon that's one more MOTB I'm stuck with.Any significant alteration to one's Genome will give them a new set of fingerprints and facial recognition features. In other words, a Mark and a NEW IDENTITY.
That's supposed to be a serious question? Which god are we on about here?It is all about identification at the DNA level. If someone changes their identity enough, how will God recognize them?
Yep. A massive load of rubbish.Matthew 7:23
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Get it?
Well, if the tech advances, how can we buy and sell stuff without being connected to the cloud by a futuristic chip?Why?
How can you buy and sell if you have no money or can't show a gummint mandated ID? No high tech necessary, but it's way cooler that way, innit?Well, if the tech advances, how can we buy and sell stuff without being connected to the cloud by a futuristic chip?
No one knows what the future will be.How can you buy and sell if you have no money or can't show a gummint mandated ID? No high tech necessary, but it's way cooler that way, innit?
Generally it’s been taught that the antichrist is going to declare himself to be God in some rebuilt Jewish temple, but I’m wondering how a rebuilt Jewish temple would even be legit?
I have a theory: our bodies are the temple of God. Old Testament things foreshadow future events. What if Antiochus Epiphanes’ defilement of the Jewish temple foreshadows the antichrist defiling our bodies with some idolatrous mark/implant.
This would also make sense because Satan has his counterfeit trinity, and it would be in the same spirit to try and counterfeit the Holy Spirit.
Back to the article, what was the "mark" there? Hint: there ain't one. Joe Computer looks at you and says "yep, that's Insaneru, or "nope, that ain't him". No mark necessary. It looks at your face, or your eyes, or you palm print.I don't think it matters whether or not the mark is spiritual , physical or whatever , the fact that whoever takes it believes their good to go , can buy and sell and doesn't give a hoot about anyone else , especially the unmarked.
Why have a mark for someone to "take" or not? It no longer serves a purpose.They can take the mark and sit quite happy in their new found comfort zone , while watching the unmarked starve to death.
Not really. I pretty much did as I pleased during the pandemic except, obviously, stuff that the gummint just straight up shut down. I flew all over the US in half empty airplanes (I miss that!), drove where I pleased, ordered food in, stood on the dot on the floor at Kroger and WalMart. All it took was a mask, which was probably not a bad idea in the first place. My Asian kin have been wearing masks during cold & flu season for as long as I can remember. <Laugh> I didn't get the 'Rona until the masks came off, but I'd taken the vax by then and was all but asymptomatic.And we have already seen a microcosm of the lack of this during the pandemic
Same as I always had. I was a Starbuck barista through the whole pandemic when there was no vax,with nary a sniffle. If I wasn't skeered of folks before I got the shot, why would I have been afterward?How much love did you show toward your unvaccinated neighbor?
The only person I fell out with was about masks. A pastor, who became a no mask crusader. He perched in his parsonage, ordered food from Kroger to pick up at curbside, ordered everything from Amazon, did Zoom sermons o the few parishoners who had zoom and wanted to, and pontificated about the weakness of mask wearers.You don't need to answer that , just think about it.
That symbolizes where those who are outside the church are located.smh. If the temple that John was instructed to measure merely symbolic of the church, then why would it have an outer court?
That is a symbolic reference to unbelievers persecuting those who are in the church.And if the temple were the temple in heaven not earth, then why were the Gentiles trampling it underfoot? The passage only makes sense if the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt.
Yes, I really do think that he was told to measure a physical temple. Be careful not to allegorize things that are supposed to be interpreted literally. Sure, there are deeper spiritual meanings behind the physical objects of the Tabernacle (such as the altar of incense being the prayers of the saints), but that doesn't negate the reality that those physical items still exist and will be brought into a physical rebuilt temple structure, and that the Antichrist will physically desecrate it by erecting a physical image that will literally speak and literally kill people (a demonically-possessed AI), and that the mark is a literal and physical mark worn by occultists for thousands of years- not just symbolically. Unless the text says its symbolic or allegorical, it's best to interpret it literally.That symbolizes where those who are outside the church are located.
That is a symbolic reference to unbelievers persecuting those who are in the church.
How can you miss the symbolism in Revelation 11. Taking it literally makes no sense. Look at this...
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
John was told to "measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.". Do you really think he was told to measure a physical temple, physical altar and "them that worship therein"? Why would he do that? And how could he literally measure "them that worship therein"? Is he measuring everyone's height or something? Think about this.
And vice versa.Yes, I really do think that he was told to measure a physical temple. Be careful not to allegorize things that are supposed to be interpreted literally.
Ya know, I can see a talking statue, never mind a murderous talking statue, would have been a terrifying concept to people in the first century, but I'm not seeing it as inspiring worship from anyone in the 21st century. It's right up there with "fire from the sky", standard war fighting technology since WW2, but a godlike power in Early Church times.the Antichrist will physically desecrate it by erecting a physical image that will literally speak and literally kill people
(a demonically-possessed AI)
What mark is that?and that the mark is a literal and physical mark worn by occultists for thousands of years
Unless it makes little or no practical sense. It's like the folks back in the "Late Great Planet Earth" years envisioning the horrors to be inflicted on God's enemies as being "neutron bombs". The main probalem was that, to a man, they had no idea what a neutron bomb was or how it worked. Thery just saw it as scarier than a regular nuclear bomb (as though those aren't scary enough), so that must be what the Revelation was talking about. What they ended up with was nonsense that was neither literal not symbolic.- not just symbolically. Unless the text says its symbolic or allegorical, it's best to interpret it literally.
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