Marijuana

AmariJah · May 9, 2006

jellybean said:
i take hemp oil! Supposed to help with memory and stuff (im using it by trail to see if it works). Oh dear, im going on holiday to the states - does that mean i cant take it with me? Plus if they give me blood tests id be in trouble?

im serious, somebody help!

Also id love to by hemp clothing and i already eat it (in pasta i mean not clothing)

Yes i agree with you its wonderful stuff.

No need to worry Jellybean both Hemp oil and cracked hemp seeds are legal and available here in the US of A. They mostly come from our neighbor to the North. VERY VERY HEALTHY AND GOOD FOR THE BODY! & no mind altering chemicals either!

dignitized · May 9, 2006

All we need is another addictive mind altering drug available for mass consumption.

What's sooo VERY funny - is that the people pushing for smoking weed to be legal are also pushing for somking tobacco to be illegal!

meebs · May 9, 2006

AmariJah said:
No need to worry Jellybean both Hemp oil and cracked hemp seeds are legal and available here in the US of A. They mostly come from our neighbor to the North. VERY VERY HEALTHY AND GOOD FOR THE BODY! & no mind altering chemicals either!

*sigh of releif*

phew! Thanks now ive got to see if this thing works though.

meebs · May 9, 2006

Br. Max said:
All we need is another addictive mind altering drug available for mass consumption.

What's sooo VERY funny - is that the people pushing for smoking weed to be legal are also pushing for somking tobacco to be illegal!

Not all of them..

I beleive tobacco should stay legal, but i kinda wish people could learn to take that in moderatly too. I think i hear that tobacco in a way has medicinal properties? but not through smoking it...or something about the tobacco plant..

hmmm.

I was discussing something too, today. If it was legal for people to grow, tobacco, cannibis and/or just hemp. That would be cool, we'd know what would go into our own products. But it would be grown for your own consumption, apart from hemp, which should not be illegal at all - to grow.

Maynard Keenan · May 9, 2006

I havn't personally seen anyone advocate making tobacco illegal and making weed legal. And as for making another mind altering substance available... given the American principle of liberty and limited government, under what power and for what compelling reason should the government ban this natural herb with immense useful value to go along with its ability to be smoked?

meebs · May 9, 2006

Maynard Keenan said:
I havn't personally seen anyon advocate making tobacco illegal and making weed legal. And as for making another mind atering substance available... given the American principle of liberty and limited government, under wat power and for what compelling reason should the government ban this natural herb with immense useful value to go along with its ability to be smoked?

After reading this, the further thought occurs (well i know this for the UK and USA), that the health services happily give out all sorts of mind/mood altering artificial drugs and pills to help combat depression etc..

anyway, this subject has got me more interested (was interested before but..) think im gonna read a few books on the matter. Cannibis, tobacco etc..

dignitized · May 9, 2006

Maynard Keenan said:
I havn't personally seen anyon advocate making tobacco illegal and making weed legal. And as for making another mind atering substance available... given the American principle of liberty and limited government, under wat power and for what compelling reason should the government ban this natural herb with immense useful value to go along with its ability to be smoked?

the concept of "limited government" is a misunderstanding. There is a word that has been left out of that phrase - It should read Limited FEDERAL government.

dignitized · May 9, 2006

jellybean said:
After reading this, the further thought occurs (well i know this for the UK and USA), that the health services happily give out all sorts of mind/mood altering artificial drugs and pills to help combat depression etc..

anyway, this subject has got me more interested (was interested before but..) think im gonna read a few books on the matter. Cannibis, tobacco etc..

there is a great big difference between professionals giving medications and SELF medicating.

xMinionX · May 9, 2006

Br. Max said:
All we need is another addictive mind altering drug available for mass consumption.

It's not addictive.

What's sooo VERY funny - is that the people pushing for smoking weed to be legal are also pushing for somking tobacco to be illegal!

Who? I suspect you're making a broad "everyoneontheliberalside" generalization, which really doesn't paint an accurate picture. Some might feel that way, but many (myself included) wish for both substances to be legalized.

SummerMadness · May 9, 2006

Not only is it painting a broad brush, but it's a misrepresentation, I think there is a move to get rid of smoking in public areas like restaurants, but there is no move to make tobacco legal.

AmariJah · May 10, 2006

Happy B-day Brother Max- and thank you for being the one dissenting voice. Although I support legalization of marijuana, I do not support the abuse of marijuana. Nor do I think that we should make tobacco illegal-

Arkanin · May 10, 2006

What's sooo VERY funny - is that the people pushing for smoking weed to be legal are also pushing for somking tobacco to be illegal!

I am not one of those people, because I am enough of a realist to know criminalization of substances is destined to failure, but for the record tobacco is a lot worse than pot because it is incredibly chemically addictive. Actually, I don't smoke pot and I do have a regular tobacco smoking habbit. I smoked pot when I was a kid, but I easily quit doing that because it's not addictive; on the other hand, I am still fighting to quit smoking. If I could do it all over again I would have never smoked cigarettes but would have still tried marijuana.

So actually, I would say cigarettes are a lot worse. Still, I am for having them both be legal because regulating either is simply unrealistic and creates a niche in which criminals can prosper.

meebs · May 10, 2006

Br. Max said:
there is a great big difference between professionals giving medications and SELF medicating.

Sure but cannibis has medicinal properties plus its naturally made. These proffesionals know about and could extract what they need as opposed to synthesising materials. Then they could give it to us. Even if they dont legalise cannibis (though id love to see it!), at least it can be used in medicine.

dignitized · May 10, 2006

jellybean said:
Sure but cannibis has medicinal properties plus its naturally made. These proffesionals know about and could extract what they need as opposed to synthesising materials. Then they could give it to us. Even if they dont legalise cannibis (though id love to see it!), at least it can be used in medicine.

They already DO do that. But is that enough? Nope. People insist that they "gotta smoke it to get the full effects."

susanann · May 10, 2006

jellybean said:
Even if they dont legalise cannibis (though id love to see it!), at least it can be used in medicine.

They will never legalize it.

Too many police, judges, attorneys, prosecutors, politicians, prison guards, court reporters, etc. are making too much money arresting, booking, prosecuting, defending, and jailing 750,000 people each year.

IF we legalized marijuanna (and/or other drugs) we could get rid of half of our police officers in this country and up to half of our prisons. A lot of attorneys and cops would be out of jobs. Police and city's could no longer confiscate bank accounts, automobiles, homes, etc where they make billions of dollars at police auctions.

They are not going to kill the golden cow.

dignitized · May 10, 2006

susanann said:
They will never legalize it.

Too many police, judges, attorneys, prosecutors, politicians, prison guards, court reporters, etc. are making too much money arresting, booking, prosecuting, defending, and jailing 750,000 people each year.

IF we legalized marijuanna (and/or other drugs) we could get rid of half of our police officers in this country and up to half of our prisons. A lot of attorneys and cops would be out of jobs. Police and city's could no longer confiscate bank accounts, automobiles, homes, etc where they make billions of dollars at police auctions.

They are not going to kill the golden cow.

actually - a large portion of the people in jail on drug charges, pled down from other charges to just the drug charges. So this "golden cow" is not as golden as so want you to think.

susanann · May 10, 2006

Quote Originally Posted by: susanann

They will never legalize it.

Too many police, judges, attorneys, prosecutors, politicians, prison guards, court reporters, etc. are making too much money arresting, booking, prosecuting, defending, and jailing 750,000 people each year.
IF we legalized marijuanna (and/or other drugs) we could get rid of half of our police officers in this country and up to half of our prisons. A lot of attorneys and cops would be out of jobs. Police and city's could no longer confiscate bank accounts, automobiles, homes, etc where they make billions of dollars at police auctions. They are not going to kill the golden cow.

Br. Max said:
actually - a large portion of the people in jail on drug charges, pled down from other charges to just the drug charges. So this "golden cow" is not as golden as so want you to think.

That is a matter of opinion - which I totally disagree with.

My father grew up when all drugs were legal. There were no pushers, no drive by shootings, no gang land fights over territory, no burgerlies, robberies, or murders from people stealing to get money for expensive illegal drugs because legal drugs are so cheap nobody has to steal anything to buy them.

In my opinion, lots of crimes are caused by drugs. People need lots of money to buy illegal drugs because drugs are much more expensive when it is illegal.

Furthermore, illegal drugs is what keeps the mafia in business. Now that gambling is legal nearly everywhere, and union membership is only 1/3 of what it used to be, the only current source of revenue for the mafia now is the illegal drug trade.

If drugs were legal, the mafia would cease to exist.

If drugs were legal, marijuanna and heroin would only cost a quarter - and anyone can panhandle for 5 minutes to get a fix, or pick up 2 empty pop bottles to get a fix - no need to car jack or rob someone in order to get 25 cents. Marijuanna grows anywhere like a weed, and heroin is like a flower. Making them legal would drive the price down to a quarter a shot.

Lastly, if drugs were legal and cheap, ther e would be no "drug pushers", because nobody could earn a living trying to get school kids to start on a habit that costs only 25 cents a day - there would be no profit in trying to spread drug use.

Probably 50% of all crime in the United States is drug related.

Repealing all drug laws would cause an immediate 50% drop in our crime overnight - causeing widespread and massive police layoffs, attorneys being unemployed, judges, prosecutors, prison guards, prison suppliers, and court employees all permanently out of jobs.

You severely underestimate how much of our crime is directly, or indirectly caused by having drugs illegal.

dignitized · May 10, 2006

http://www.rand.org/news/press.05/06.23.html

dignitized · May 10, 2006

and lets look at crime where drugs are legal - http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...sterdam-Pick_Pocketing_Street_crime-BR-1.html

meebs · May 10, 2006

Br. Max said:
They already DO do that. But is that enough? Nope. People insist that they "gotta smoke it to get the full effects."

i havent seen this, everytime i see something on it, they say they never will

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What is your disposition on marijuana?

Legalize it.

Medical uses only.

Keep illegal.

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