Maricopa County

[JacksBratt]

A senator by the name of Townsend has issued a new set of subpoenas to the board of supervisors and is requesting this information within the week. The information is to be turned over to AG Brnovich's office.
He is also requesting an explanation of the discrepancies in the signature where only 2500 were addressed while there was over 200,000 actual discrepancies of missing signatures.
He is facing friction because he did not go through senator Karen Fann... She was the one who has a brother who just received a ridiculous contract of huge amounts of money to build a highway...from the state... just before the audit was released.. and then she backed off.

Now, Townsend is picking up the pieces and people are not happy.

It is doubtful that these new subpoenas will be treated any different then the last ones unless someone (Brnovich) actually gives consequences typically given for non compliance with a subpoena. Which is jail time.

What is it that is on those routers that the people do not want to be known?

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I don't know much about this particular incident/ area but I know about the problem in general. The signature safe guards were gutted in general. If the old standard was in place 1% to 2% of the mail in ballots of 2020 would have been thrown out as not matching and this probably would have given Trump a win itself.


But they radically paired back the signature verification process where it was almost non existent. There is a video from a Nevada TV and radio station that demonstrates this, where a Vegas radio talk show host tested the system asking his listeners to send in their mail in ballots so he could sign try to impersonate them by signing the outer envelope (but leaving their inner envelope and ballot in tact). 9 of his listeners took him up on the challenge and only 1 of the 9 of his phony impersonation ballots got rejected.

 

[pescador]

I don't know much about this particular incident/ area but I know about the problem in general. The signature safe guards were gutted in general. If the old standard was in place 1% to 2% of the mail in ballots of 2020 would have been thrown out as not matching and this probably would have given Trump a win itself.


But they radically paired back the signature verification process where it was almost non existent. There is a video from a Nevada TV and radio station that demonstrates this, where a Vegas radio talk show host tested the system asking his listeners to send in their mail in ballots so he could sign try to impersonate them by signing the outer envelope (but leaving their inner envelope and ballot in tact). 9 of his listeners took him up on the challenge and only 1 of the 9 of his phony impersonation ballots got rejected.

Has anyone ever heard of President Biden? He was elected by the voters and is currently serving in that position. Trump is a loser!

 

[JacksBratt]

Has anyone ever heard of President Biden? He was elected by the voters and is currently serving in that position. Trump is a loser!

That's funny... Jen Psaki enjoys working for President Oba... whoops

 

[Original Happy Camper]

A senator by the name of Townsend has issued a new set of subpoenas to the board of supervisors and is requesting this information within the week. The information is to be turned over to AG Brnovich's office.
He is also requesting an explanation of the discrepancies in the signature where only 2500 were addressed while there was over 200,000 actual discrepancies of missing signatures.
He is facing friction because he did not go through senator Karen Fann... She was the one who has a brother who just received a ridiculous contract of huge amounts of money to build a highway...from the state... just before the audit was released.. and then she backed off.

Now, Townsend is picking up the pieces and people are not happy.

It is doubtful that these new subpoenas will be treated any different then the last ones unless someone (Brnovich) actually gives consequences typically given for non compliance with a subpoena. Which is jail time.

What is it that is on those routers that the people do not want to be known?

Maricopa County has complied with the Arizona Senate’s subpoena ordering them to comply with the Arizona Attorney General’s requests.

STATE SENATE, PHOENIX – Senator Townsend has issued the following statement regarding Maricopa
County’s compliance with her legislative subpoena:

“I am pleased to report that Maricopa County has complied with the legislative subpoena commanding fulfillment of the Attorney General’s request dated March 9, 2022. The Government Committee scheduled for later today is therefore no longer necessary, as its intended objective has been achieved.

BREAKING: Maricopa County Complies with Arizona State Senate Subpoena & Attorney General's Request

 

[JacksBratt]

Maricopa County has complied with the Arizona Senate’s subpoena ordering them to comply with the Arizona Attorney General’s requests.

STATE SENATE, PHOENIX – Senator Townsend has issued the following statement regarding Maricopa
County’s compliance with her legislative subpoena:

“I am pleased to report that Maricopa County has complied with the legislative subpoena commanding fulfillment of the Attorney General’s request dated March 9, 2022. The Government Committee scheduled for later today is therefore no longer necessary, as its intended objective has been achieved.

BREAKING: Maricopa County Complies with Arizona State Senate Subpoena & Attorney General's Request

Well that's good to see. Wonder if they will ever give up the routers and splunk logs.

 

[The Liturgist]

Well that's good to see. Wonder if they will ever give up the routers and splunk logs.

The routers themselves might not show much even if they were pulled from service and locked away after the election. Router operating systems, as my network engineering colleagues have often complained to me, tend lack the kind of detailed analysis that you want and even then usually do not have the configuration to store it properly. If there was something fishy in the configs, that would be relevant, but it could have been overwritten; depending on the routers, some use small SSDs and others, typically older Cisco models, use NVRAM to store their configs, but that said, forensics might well be possible if expensive; baseline Cisco IOS I believe uses a very simple filesystem and is a pretty rudimentary operating system (it lacks pre-emptive multitasking, which Windows has had since Windows 95, and which PCs have had since OS/2; Macs amusingly had cooperative multitasking through OS9, but OS X being UNIX based introduced full preemptive multitasking; classic Cisco IOS and many low end imitator OSes lack this and instead use cooperative multitasking like Mac OS 9 or Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11, the only difference being IOS runs a special “watchdog process” at regular intervals which will kill and restart other hung processes so in practice, software crashes are not a common cause of Cisco routers going down. Also it helps most software is written by Cisco (there is an interpreter for the TcL scripting language, however; I don’t have enough experience with that platform to know how it impacts reliability).

However as an embedded systems programmer I can say that newer Cisco IOS variants, as well as all modern router OSes, like JUNOS and Avesta, are much more modern; the top of the line Cisco IOS-XR uses a real time pre-emptive microkernel as do many other routes, even low end consumer products, and these are particularly good because they are not only pre-emptive but hard real time embedded systems (meaning they provide guarantees about process completion times). Likewise, JUNOS is based on FreeBSD, which is a UNIX based OS similar to Linux, and Avesta and several newer Cisco OSes are also Linux based. However, with these more complex operating systems, especially Linux based systems with journaling filesystems, and to a lesser extent, BSD operating systems running the UNIX File System with Soft Updates, forensics becomes much more challenging because the filesystem tends to overwrite deleted files more quickly and recovering them is much harder than on a simple filesystem (some of you may remember FAT and FAT32 from DOS and Windows 9x, which were not journaling, and which had a number of undelete utilities available).

The Splunk logs and any other syslog servers and SNMP servers may prove much more helpful, because routers can be configured to output their log data to these, but again, it really depends on what the routers were monitoring.

Of potentially much greater interest both in terms of the machines themselves and the log servers like Splunk and SNMP servers are firewalls. High end firewalls and also load balancers and DDOS protection appliances are capable of deep packet inspection and other very useful things which can help show exactly what people were doing on the network. They tend to run much more fully featured OSes and tend to trade throughput for security capabilities, enabling them to process data at high speed.

 

[JacksBratt]

The routers themselves might not show much even if they were pulled from service and locked away after the election. Router operating systems, as my network engineering colleagues have often complained to me, tend lack the kind of detailed analysis that you want and even then usually do not have the configuration to store it properly. If there was something fishy in the configs, that would be relevant, but it could have been overwritten; depending on the routers, some use small SSDs and others, typically older Cisco models, use NVRAM to store their configs, but that said, forensics might well be possible if expensive; baseline Cisco IOS I believe uses a very simple filesystem and is a pretty rudimentary operating system (it lacks pre-emptive multitasking, which Windows has had since Windows 95, and which PCs have had since OS/2; Macs amusingly had cooperative multitasking through OS9, but OS X being UNIX based introduced full preemptive multitasking; classic Cisco IOS and many low end imitator OSes lack this and instead use cooperative multitasking like Mac OS 9 or Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11, the only difference being IOS runs a special “watchdog process” at regular intervals which will kill and restart other hung processes so in practice, software crashes are not a common cause of Cisco routers going down. Also it helps most software is written by Cisco (there is an interpreter for the TcL scripting language, however; I don’t have enough experience with that platform to know how it impacts reliability).

However as an embedded systems programmer I can say that newer Cisco IOS variants, as well as all modern router OSes, like JUNOS and Avesta, are much more modern; the top of the line Cisco IOS-XR uses a real time pre-emptive microkernel as do many other routes, even low end consumer products, and these are particularly good because they are not only pre-emptive but hard real time embedded systems (meaning they provide guarantees about process completion times). Likewise, JUNOS is based on FreeBSD, which is a UNIX based OS similar to Linux, and Avesta and several newer Cisco OSes are also Linux based. However, with these more complex operating systems, especially Linux based systems with journaling filesystems, and to a lesser extent, BSD operating systems running the UNIX File System with Soft Updates, forensics becomes much more challenging because the filesystem tends to overwrite deleted files more quickly and recovering them is much harder than on a simple filesystem (some of you may remember FAT and FAT32 from DOS and Windows 9x, which were not journaling, and which had a number of undelete utilities available).

The Splunk logs and any other syslog servers and SNMP servers may prove much more helpful, because routers can be configured to output their log data to these, but again, it really depends on what the routers were monitoring.

Of potentially much greater interest both in terms of the machines themselves and the log servers like Splunk and SNMP servers are firewalls. High end firewalls and also load balancers and DDOS protection appliances are capable of deep packet inspection and other very useful things which can help show exactly what people were doing on the network. They tend to run much more fully featured OSes and tend to trade throughput for security capabilities, enabling them to process data at high speed.

This is true. They could have wiped them. But having the routers and splunk logs would show any IP addresses that were accessed or accessed the router.. These devices where not even supposed to have internet access and any proof that they did.... especially if the IP addresses were in China or other international locations is contrary to election laws and a felony.

 

[JacksBratt]

By the way... I believe, if my source is correct, that, after 2 years, the routers and splunk logs have been turned over after threat of warrants for arrests.

 

[The Liturgist]

This is true. They could have wiped them. But having the routers and splunk logs would show any IP addresses that were accessed or accessed the router..

Not necessarily. It depends on what you mean by “accessed.” If you mean logged into the router operating system, then there would be a log of the IP, but a serious criminal hacker would likely mask that by using another system on the same LAN for the connection, and then purge incriminating configuration data that could allow for such a connection.

As far as logging every IP address the router routes, however, that’s not really feasible. To get that information, the only way I can think of, as an embedded systems developer, a Cisco or Juniper networking guy might know of a better way, without a huge performance hit, would be to mirror the ports you wanted to monitor and have a server fast enough, with a sufficiently fast NIC and much memory and disk space, in order to run something like Wireshark or tcpdump to get a log of all the traffic, which could be very considerable even in a small network.

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way... I believe, if my source is correct, that, after 2 years, the routers and splunk logs have been turned over after threat of warrants for arrests.

Good. I don’t know that they’ll find anything useful, however, but at least a proper inspection might possibly happen.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Frontline got into this last night.

In a new investigative collaboration, FRONTLINE and ProPublica trace the hidden sources of misinformation about the 2020 election, demonstrating how a handful of people have had an outsized impact on the current U.S. crisis of democratic legitimacy.

FRONTLINE | Plot to Overturn the Election | Season 2022 | Episode 4

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Byrne has established himself as one of driving forces of misinformation and disinformation about the 2020 election, pouring his money into the effort. The America Project, his nonprofit, reportedly provided $3.25 million to the organization behind the “audit” in Maricopa County, Arizona, and has produced a book and a movie, The Deep Rig, laying out his case. Dominion’s lawyers also allege that Byrne provided a private jet to a team that traveled to Michigan to produce a widely debunked and error-ridden report on alleged election rigging in that state.

Former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne gets sued for pushing election conspiracies

 

[Brihaha]

I expect politicians in Arizona will need to start governing their state soon. This nonsense has to end one day. Citizens see the political grandstanding is doing them little good and it's all counterproductive to effective democracy. The trump cabal was too easily able to influence state politicians in his bid to overturn the election. They have now seemingly convinced voters they need that our elections cannot be trusted. I'm not sure how that strategy can win more votes. Except by suppressing more democrat votes. I reckon it gives them a rationale for suppressing votes with new "voter integrity" laws. If you can't beat em cheat em!