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well whoever told them that Mary is "not at all a significant figure" is woefully mistaken
Mary is very significant
just like in the history of the USA, George Washington is a very significant person
why we have monuments to him, holidays that celebrate him, books and movies about him, his image is even on our money
but being significant does not mean idolatry
This is interesting. I know a number of Chinese students at a local Catholic university here. They are quite confused because they have had no exposure to Catholicism prior to coming here. After they arrive they are informed that Mary is not at all a significant figure in Catholicism and that Catholics don't worship her.
Fair enough. Last winter I took a trip with them to Boston, Washington, D.C., and New York City. During the course of our trip we visited a number of churches of various denominations because they were curious about the architecture. The Catholic churches included St. Patrick's in New York City. In all of the Catholic churches there were chapels and altars devoted to Mary with people kneeling before them in adoration or attending Marian masses. The focus was most assuredly on Mary. I did not need to say a word to them concerning the Catholic church's actual relationship to Mary. Actions do speak much louder than words.
This is interesting. I know a number of Chinese students at a local Catholic university here. They are quite confused because they have had no exposure to Catholicism prior to coming here. After they arrive they are informed that Mary is not at all a significant figure in Catholicism and that Catholics don't worship her.
Fair enough. Last winter I took a trip with them to Boston, Washington, D.C., and New York City. During the course of our trip we visited a number of churches of various denominations because they were curious about the architecture. The Catholic churches included St. Patrick's in New York City. In all of the Catholic churches there were chapels and altars devoted to Mary with people kneeling before them in adoration or attending Marian masses. The focus was most assuredly on Mary. I did not need to say a word to them concerning the Catholic church's actual relationship to Mary.
Actions do speak much louder than words.
The Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God is our Heavenly Mother - our "Mother" of Whom God has Blessed in His Love and Holiness, this most beautiful special Gift and Blessing for mankind.
No Jesus is the most beautiful and special gift to mankind. The Bible doesn't talk about Mary as the most beautiful or special gift and blessing for mankind. The focus is not on her, even though Jesus came to earth in the flesh through her, the focus is not on her.
Read basic verses like John 3:16, that's the best gift to mankind. It doesn't say "God so loved the world that he let Mary be born and become sinless so His Son could come into the world." because the focus is not on her.
Following up your point, anyone who gives it serious thought and is honest about the matter would have to admit that the New Testament makes almost nothing of Mary. We know she was with Jesus almost the whole of his life, yet almost nothing is said of her and certainly not anything about her being doted upon by Jesus, spoken of by Jesus, or anything else like that.
This doesn't mean she wasn't special for having given birth to Jesus, but it may mean something when people now turn to lionizing her as the center of the universe, queen of heaven, our intercessor with the Father, etc. If all of that were correct, one might have expected Jesus himself to have given her even the honor that most of us give our own mothers.
The descent of the Holy Spirit was not an unexpected event for the apostles. Several centuries before the birth of the Saviour, the Lord God already began to prepare the people for the day of their spiritual rebirth, and foretold through the prophets: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon dry ground Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments, and do them.
Preparing to return to His Heavenly Father, our Lord Jesus Christ, on the eve of His crucifixion, dedicates his farewell talk with the apostles to the forthcoming descent of the Holy Spirit. The Lord explains to the disciples that the Comforter the Holy Spirit is soon due to come down, in order to finish the accomplishment of the salvation of mankind. And I will pray the Father, the Lord says to the apostles, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever, the Spirit of Truth He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you He, the Spirit of Truth, Who proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Preparing to accept the Holy Spirit after the Lords ascension to heaven, Christs disciples, together with the Holy Virgin Mary, several myrrh-bearing women and other believers (approximately 120 people in all), were in Jerusalem for the Pentecost, waiting in the so-called Zion chamber. This was probably the same large room in which took place the Mystic Supper prior to the Lords suffering. The apostles and all the others were waiting for the Saviour to send them the promised Comforter, at which time they would become filled with power from above, although they did not know the exact manner of the Holy Spirits coming. Since the Lord Jesus Christ had died and had arisen during the course of the Old Testament Passover, the feast of the Pentecost in that year fell on the 50th day of His resurrection.
And so, in the ninth hour of the morning, when the people usually gathered in the temple for sacrifice and prayer, a noise as of a tempest was suddenly heard over the Zion chamber. This noise filled the house in which the apostles were gathered, and at the same time a multitude of fiery tongues appeared over the apostles heads and began to descend upon each one of them. These tongues of flame possessed an extraordinary characteristic: they shone, but did not burn. But even more extraordinary were the spiritual qualities which these mysterious tongues of flame endowed. Each person upon whom such a flame descended experienced an onrush of spiritual strength and, simultaneously, indescribable joy and ardor. Each began to feel himself a totally different person: at peace, full of life and fervent love for God. The apostles began to express these inner changes and novel feelings in joyous exclamations and a loud glorification of God. And at this point it was discovered that they were speaking not in their native Jewish tongue, but in other languages that were unknown to them. In this manner the apostles were baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire, as had been prophesied by St. John the Baptist.
Meanwhile, the noise which sounded like a tempest attracted many people to the apostles house. Seeing all the people gathering together from everywhere, the apostles went outside with prayers of laudation and glorification of God. Hearing this stream of joyous prayer, the people who had gathered around the house were struck by an inexplicable event: Christs disciples, for the most part men of Galilee, all seemingly illiterate, from whom it was impossible to expect knowledge of any other tongue except their native one, suddenly began to speak in different foreign languages, so that no matter how varied was the crowd of people who had come to Jerusalem from different countries, each one heard his own native tongue. But among the crowd there were also cynics who were not ashamed to laugh at the inspired preachers, saying that the apostles had obviously drunk wine at such an early hour. In reality, the power of the Holy Spirit was made manifest at that time not only in various blessed internal changes, but also in the external gift of tongues for the express reason of allowing the apostles to spread the Gospel among different nations more successfully, without having the need to study foreign languages.
Seeing the peoples bewilderment, Apostle Peter stepped forward and preached his first sermon, in which he explained to all those who had gathered there that the descent of the Holy Spirit fulfilled the ancient prophecy of Joel, who had said in the name of God: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. And also upon the servants and upon the handmaidens in those days will I pour out My spirit; and I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth. The apostle explained that precisely in this kind of descent of the Holy Spirit was the salvation of mankind to be achieved, and in order to make mankind worthy of the grace of the Holy Spirit, the Messiah our Lord Jesus Christ suffered death on the cross and arose from the dead.
This sermon was short and simple, but since it was the Holy Spirit speaking through Peters lips, these words penetrated into the hearts of the listeners. Many of them were deeply moved and asked him: What should we do? Repent, Apostle Peter replied to them, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And not only will you be forgiven, but you will receive the grace of the Holy Spirit yourselves.
Many of those who came to believe in Christ through Apostle Peters words publicly repented of their sins on-the-spot, were baptized.
The Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God was Baptized with The Holy Spirit and Fire with Jesus' Disciples together, just as Jesus Christ our Saviour had foretold; thereafter, the Disciples took The Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God home.
Love and kindest wishes your Sister in Jesus Christ our Saviour
Following up your point, anyone who gives it serious thought and is honest about the matter would have to admit that the New Testament makes almost nothing of Mary.
We know she was with Jesus almost the whole of his life, yet almost nothing is said of her and certainly not anything about her being doted upon by Jesus, spoken of by Jesus, or anything else like that.
This doesn't mean she wasn't special for having given birth to Jesus, but it may mean something when people now turn to lionizing her as the center of the universe, queen of heaven, our intercessor with the Father, etc. If all of that were correct, one might have expected Jesus himself to have given her even the honor that most of us give our own mothers.
Anyone who hasn't given it enough thought and is perhaps dishonest about the matter might admit that. Both the Old and the New Testament have much to reveal about Mary in God's plan of salvation. Naturally, if one reads sacred Scripture merely in the literal and historic sense, he will hardly make out anything from the written word of God.
Jesus did allude to his mother when he said to the woman in the crowd that she was rather blessed for having observed the word of God than for having borne him. It was because of Mary's faith informed by caritas that God became man to redeem and save mankind. Thus all generations shall call her blessed for having believed. In the words of Elizabeth in Luke's gospel: 'Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.'
Of course, Mary had to be special for being the mother of our Lord. At the annunciation the angel hailed her as the woman endowed with the fullness of grace and perfected by it: 'Chaire kecharitomene!' Luke writes in Mary's Hymn of Praise, in allusion to Daughter Zion, her soul 'magnifies the Lord' or 'proclaims His glory.'
Jesus told his apostles that the prerogative of deciding who should sit at his right in the kingdom of heaven rested with his heavenly Father by His preparation (cf. Mk 10:37-40). The OT reveals who that most highly privileged person is because of the honour she is rightly entitled to by Divine favour.
When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the kings mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
1 Kings 2, 19
'I see the assembly of the saints, all zealously gathered together, invited by the holy Mother of God, Mary, ever-virgin . . . We hail you, O Mary Mother of God, venerable treasure of the entire world, inextinguishable lamp, crown of virginity, scepter of orthodoxy, imperishable temple, container of him who cannot be contained . . . Through you, the Holy Trinity is glorified; the precious Cross is celebrated and adored throughout the world; heaven exults, the angels and arechangels rejoice, the demons are put to flight, the devil, the tempter, falls from heaven, the fallen creation is brought back to paradise, all creatures trapped in idolatry come to know of the truth.'
St. Cyril of Alexandria, Homily lV [Preached at Ephesus against Nestorius]
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John 19:27 The Crucifixion
26When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" 27Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.
You can say that, but you can't back it up. And that wasn't exactly my point anyway.Both the Old and the New Testament have much to reveal about Mary in God's plan of salvation.
Straining hard to find something to point to, aren't you? Sure, Mary is referred to in Scripture and "alluded" to by Jesus here and there, but considering that you folks are insisting that she is the most important mortal who ever lived, the Mother of all humans, co-redeemer of the universe, Queen of Heaven, dispenser of all graces and the one we should look to for salvation, it can't be denied that the New Testament makes scant mention of her doings or of Jesus interacting with her. A serious debater would not be reluctant to address this fact.Jesus did allude to his mother when he said to the woman in the crowd that she was rather blessed for having observed the word of God than for having borne him.
That isn't the issue at all. Some people use the word "blessed" when speaking of her--and it certainly isn't all Catholics, not to mention members of other faiths--but that's no way to assess that verse. Then too, it only says that generations "WILL" call her blessed, not that it's some kind of test or command!All I need to know is that the Sacred Scriptures say that the Blessed Mother says, 'All generations shall call me blessed' but here we are witnessing a generation which doesn't call her 'blessed', but a dead sinner afforded no more favor in the eyes of God than either you or I.
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