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Aren't you leaving out a few events: such as the formation of the Earth... (et al.) ...and the events that took place at the beginning of this universe???
Aren't you leaving out a few events: such as the formation of the Earth... (et al.) ...and the events that took place at the beginning of this universe???
Indeed, gravity is a pretty predictable beast.
So both of you claim that, given a properly-equipped laboratory and identical amounts of matter, energy, etc, you could reproduce this Earth and this universe???
So both of you claim that, given a properly-equipped laboratory and identical amounts of matter, energy, etc, you could reproduce this Earth and this universe???
Do you want to discuss evolution or abiogenesis? You seem confused..
It sounded like you were saying that we and this Earth were a foregone conclusion, even sans a personal creator.
Now you say the process was "chaotic" in some way, although the "initial conditions" were in our favor from the outset. There are loose ends, here...
Do you want to discuss evolution or abiogenesis? You seem confused..
Start with learning the difference between the theory of evolution, abiogenesis, and cosmology.
You and self-inflikted were claiming that the outcome we see on this Earth was predictable, which gives your claim the characteristics of an hypothesis.
OK, Professor. You and self-inflikted were claiming that the outcome we see on this Earth was predictable, which gives your claim the characteristics of an hypothesis.
Next you claim that you cannot test the hypothesis even if you were given everything you would need to do so...
The theory does allow predictions to be made about what we find. Tiktaalik is a prime example of this. It is a transitional form found within the timeline it was predicted to be found in, and with transitional features between the species that came before and after it.
If God did not grant us all with a soul created in His image, then we are the mere product of random evolution (I'm not saying that evolution did or did not happen by the way). But if evolution did occur AND there is no God who grants us a soul, then there is no sense in saying that we are all equal as people. The thought that random, unethical, cold, and uncaring biochemical chance produced a bunch of beings that are completely equal to each other is absurd.
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Rest completely assured, that Consciousness didn't come from Materials like planets, dirt, hydrogen gas, and helium ! lol..... Neither did our Moral Conscience (moral oughtness) . We were fashioned very carefully by a like personal Creator and he wanted Humans to be drastically different from the animals of the Forest that rely on instinct.
It's true that the theory of evolution enables us to make certain predictions, like the type you've described above. But I think rsduncan was asking if we could recreate the universe/earth formation and predict the outcome, overall. That is quite impossible to do at present.
Even if there is an extremely similar "earth" in some other solar system in another galaxy (actually, it's extremely probable that there is), chances that life would evolve in exactly the same way it did here are immeasurably small. I think, with out current knowledge base, it would be impossible to predict the outcome of evolution elsewhere in the universe.
Well, that isn't even abiogenesis (how planets form, solar systems, etc). That's just basic cosmology.
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