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Majority find homosexuality ‘morally acceptable'for first time

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WASHINGTON — A slight majority of Americans view gay or lesbian relations as morally acceptable, a first since Gallup pollsters started asking about the issue in 2001.

In a recent survey of 16 behaviors or social practices, pollsters found that 52 percent of Americans accept gay or lesbian relations, a steady increase since a form of the question was introduced nine years ago. The percentage of Americans who find it “morally wrong“ dipped to its lowest point: 43 percent.

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It's only a matter of time before all but the fundamental Christian extremists will simply accept homosexuality as yet another facet of being human. The fundies will, of course, continue to post the Leviticus texts on placards or on Christian forums. The rest, however, will one day (soon, perhaps) look back and say, "What in heck was all the fuss about ...?"
 
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I believe there is a confusion amongst these polls between people being asked if homosexuality is amoral to the individual on a personal level, or if the person is accepting of the idea of homosexuality in society. Meaning, on one side believing that indeed homosexuality is amoral and should therefore be outlawed, and the other side believing that though homosexuality is amoral, one is not to judge the lifestyles of others considering America is indeed a free nation. I believe the intentional syntax and structure of these questions are the root of some swayed numbers in polls, but on the other hand I may just be wrong and this is what people believe.
 
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I'm not so much interested in polls and ratings PERIOD since they can be easily manipulated and slanted in favor of the pollsters' agenda for the reasons you state. My view has nothing to do with polls. Homosexuality will eventually be accepted as the new generation replaces the old. It will become a 'nothing' issue. Even today a huge percentage of youth have gay friends and think nothing of it. As said, it's just a matter of time before homosexuality becomes 'completely normal' ...just as it should.
 
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Well they would, as society turns further away from God they find whatever suits them more acceptable. Its the world people want. Good luck.
Its also interesting in the UK how the uproar about MP's expenses has gone on for many months clammouring for MP's to face the law, fines loss of jobs and even prison, only to now find the discovery of a minister misapropriating expenses fo a flat for his gay lover has resulted in him being persuaded to stay in office as a man of integrety.
The people who dont believe the account of Sodom, obviously cant see themselves playing it out today.
 
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Well they would, as society turns further away from God they find whatever suits them more acceptable. Its the world people want. Good luck.

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The people who dont believe the account of Sodom, obviously cant see themselves playing it out today.

Or, in the fall of Greece, and the fall of Rome, and most other great empires for that matter. I completely agree.
 
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Amen, that was my next point, it was common in Roman and Greek culture in NT times, but was illegal in the UK and US until a few decades ago, and is stil illlegal in many countries.
What these people dont realise is that the word of God never changes, they think the acceptance is for all time, it wont be. When people realise just how bad things have got !
 
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Are you in want of homosexuality to become "completely normal" as in homosexual Christians, or for society to accept non-Christian homosexuals?

I'm in favor of the tag 'homosexual' being removed entirely from within and without the Church. In other words, there is no such thing as 'gay' or 'straight'. Let us just refer to people as people and every person equal.
 
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Or, in the fall of Greece, and the fall of Rome, and most other great empires for that matter. I completely agree.

So, both you and Phinehas believe that homosexuality caused the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah, Greece, Rome and most other great empires?

The mind boggles . . .
 
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So, both you and Phinehas believe that homosexuality caused the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah, Greece, Rome and most other great empires?

The mind boggles . . .

Every empire/country that existed before ~1600 has fallen, dramatically shrunken in size, has had forceful regime changes, etc.

Every empire/country has had homosexuals.

Need I say more?
 
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KCKID,
Originally Posted by heyhihey
your mind certainly seems to boggle, as neither of us said that, indeed I have already denied that several times concerning Sodom. The homosexual desire was just one of the sins, read the account in Genesis 19, and the references in Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Matthew 10-11, 2 Peter 2 and Jude
 
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KCKID,
your mind certainly seems to boggle, as neither of us said that,
Well, I think one could be forgiven for believing that your mentioning the fall of certain nations in the context of the thread topic would certainly imply that you attribute homosexuality as being the cause for their demise. Why else would you bring it up?

indeed I have already denied that several times concerning Sodom. The homosexual desire was just one of the sins, read the account in Genesis 19, and the references in Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Matthew 10-11, 2 Peter 2 and Jude
I've read it many times, Phinehas, as well as studied the contexts surrounding this particular scripture. The 'homosexual desire' as you put it is purely in the imaginations of the anti-gays. I don't want to resurrect this topic yet again (yawn) but inhospitality was the major sin of Sodom.
 
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KCKID,
I don’t think so, if I have made it clear several times that I don’t think it is, why would you make a mere assumption to the contrary?


Then the anti-gays as you call them are the only ones in touch with reality and not lying.
The text says men wanted sex with the men, that’s homosexual rather than heterosexual.
 
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No it wasn't. THAT was considered rape, Phinehas, and the raping of a man by another man was inhospitality taken to its extreme! True! It was regarding the man as being the equivalent of a (gasp) woman ...property!! That was a definite no, no. One could rape a woman (unless she was the property of a man) but no raping of men, please!

But anyway, the rape never occurred so we can all sleep soundly.
 
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The verses in question are these: Gen 19:1-14

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.



3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.



4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:



5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know (yada) them.



6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,



7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.



8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.



9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.



10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.



11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.



12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:



13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.



14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.








The word "yada" in Hebrew is very versatile. It ranges from intellectual knowledge to intimate knowledge: it depends on the context. In Genesis 4:1, the word for know is also "yada," and it is clear that the result of this [intimate] knowledge between Adam and Eve produced a child (Abel) as evident in verse 2. It is based on the context.

Likewise, the men in Genesis 19 were asking to know the angels, but the context in versus 8 and 9 makes the definition of the word "yada" clear when Lot pleads with the the men to take his daughters instead because they have not known a man. This stronly implies and pretty much denotes an intimate or sexual knowledge.



Since the angels obviously did not want to have sex with these men, it is safe to say that the men were going to rape the angels if they could have.
 
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KCKID,
Well yes it was, men wanting sex with men is homosexual as opposed to heterosexual, whether you like it or not. Indeed that’s where sodomy came from. And I dont need to hear your disbelief and denial of it again.
As rape is more often about power, dominance and control than sexual attraction, there really is nothing in the story to suggest that the aggressors were homosexual, or attracted sexually to the angels in any sort of way. Therefore, I think using Sodom and Gomorrah as a cautionary tale against homosexuality and/or sex between members of the same sex is rather dishonest. Not to mention that elsewhere in the bible where the story is mentioned, it's not one of the supposed sins alluded to.
 
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