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<blockquote data-quote="BondiHarry" data-source="post: 57869423" data-attributes="member: 281154"><p>Yes, all true but do we follow God's wisdom in these things or do we follow mans? </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Wealth is not a static quantity nor does the Bible state how much wealth a man can have. I personally do not understand how one can accumulate great wealth ranging into even the billions when obviously that is far more than they need to meet their own needs and there are people who are in need that the rich man should be considering. However there is nothing in the Bible which tells men they can decide how much wealth their neighbor can have and if it exceeds a certain amount it can be confiscated. God tells us HE will reward the good steward and punish the bad steward so who are we to decide HE isn't doing a good enough job in this and we must step in to help Him?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>When government is limited to what God says it should do what does it matter how much wealth a man has? They cannot get government to pass legislation which gives them power and influence over the country. It is when you decide government can do more than what God allows it that rich men can manipulate government to their advantage. A prime example is that 'income taxes' are the primary means of raising revenue for the government. That benefits those who are already rich and makes it more difficult for newcomers to make their own fortunes. If there was a flat tax on consumption and not income however, then the already rich would pay more and those who are productive would not see their hard work punished as with income taxes.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, when government does only what God allows it to do in the Bible, wealth itself would be more distributed as you have God seeing to how it is distributed and not fallible man making the decisions. Again this boils down to do we trust God to keep His word?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So what? In free markets people make money providing goods and services that people desire. The consumer is able to acquire things that are not cost effective for them to make for themselves if they could make them at all. Cut throat business practices will always invite competitors in their market UNLESS the government steps in to stop competitors from coming into the market.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>YOU can do whatever you wish with the wealth that God has blessed you with. It is when men break God's commandments not to covet the property of their neighbor and certainly not to steal it that God will step in and punish those wrong doers by diminishing the money they have. You might want to start considering why programs intended to 'protect' the poor like Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt and driving America towards bankruptcy. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You cannot theorize programs which lead to the breaking of God's commandments to us like thou shalt not covet and thou shalt not steal. AGAIN, there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No system which does not have holiness at its foundation is the Christian model. No economic system devised by man does have holiness as a core tenant and capitalism is no exception. Capitalism does incorporate Biblical precepts like property rights, free markets and limited government but all too often the goal is to make as much money as possible rather than remembering that the employer is to use a fair balance in his trade with others, to pay his employee a fair wage (I personally have experienced the travesty in sales of bringing my employer a profit of over eight thousand dollars in profit one month and was paid less than a dollar for my efforts) and to be concerned with the needs of the poor. One reason so many Christians support things like socialism over capitalism is that they are not well informed about what God teaches us.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>We need to keep in mind ALL that God tells us and I'm afraid the socialistic model tends to undermine God's commands for us to work for our bread and he who does not work, neither shall he eat. If all people involved in such an enterprise were fully committed to God it might work but it invariably happens that the more slothful find they can eat without exerting much effort so they don't exert the effort they should and those who do work hard will get frustrated that their labor benefits them but little and so they stop working so hard. The end result is that productivity falls and want increases.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I think they should have paid far closer attention to God's word rather than substituting man's wisdom on how to do things.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BondiHarry, post: 57869423, member: 281154"] Yes, all true but do we follow God's wisdom in these things or do we follow mans? Wealth is not a static quantity nor does the Bible state how much wealth a man can have. I personally do not understand how one can accumulate great wealth ranging into even the billions when obviously that is far more than they need to meet their own needs and there are people who are in need that the rich man should be considering. However there is nothing in the Bible which tells men they can decide how much wealth their neighbor can have and if it exceeds a certain amount it can be confiscated. God tells us HE will reward the good steward and punish the bad steward so who are we to decide HE isn't doing a good enough job in this and we must step in to help Him? When government is limited to what God says it should do what does it matter how much wealth a man has? They cannot get government to pass legislation which gives them power and influence over the country. It is when you decide government can do more than what God allows it that rich men can manipulate government to their advantage. A prime example is that 'income taxes' are the primary means of raising revenue for the government. That benefits those who are already rich and makes it more difficult for newcomers to make their own fortunes. If there was a flat tax on consumption and not income however, then the already rich would pay more and those who are productive would not see their hard work punished as with income taxes. Again, when government does only what God allows it to do in the Bible, wealth itself would be more distributed as you have God seeing to how it is distributed and not fallible man making the decisions. Again this boils down to do we trust God to keep His word? So what? In free markets people make money providing goods and services that people desire. The consumer is able to acquire things that are not cost effective for them to make for themselves if they could make them at all. Cut throat business practices will always invite competitors in their market UNLESS the government steps in to stop competitors from coming into the market. YOU can do whatever you wish with the wealth that God has blessed you with. It is when men break God's commandments not to covet the property of their neighbor and certainly not to steal it that God will step in and punish those wrong doers by diminishing the money they have. You might want to start considering why programs intended to 'protect' the poor like Social Security and Medicare are going bankrupt and driving America towards bankruptcy. You cannot theorize programs which lead to the breaking of God's commandments to us like thou shalt not covet and thou shalt not steal. AGAIN, there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death. No system which does not have holiness at its foundation is the Christian model. No economic system devised by man does have holiness as a core tenant and capitalism is no exception. Capitalism does incorporate Biblical precepts like property rights, free markets and limited government but all too often the goal is to make as much money as possible rather than remembering that the employer is to use a fair balance in his trade with others, to pay his employee a fair wage (I personally have experienced the travesty in sales of bringing my employer a profit of over eight thousand dollars in profit one month and was paid less than a dollar for my efforts) and to be concerned with the needs of the poor. One reason so many Christians support things like socialism over capitalism is that they are not well informed about what God teaches us. We need to keep in mind ALL that God tells us and I'm afraid the socialistic model tends to undermine God's commands for us to work for our bread and he who does not work, neither shall he eat. If all people involved in such an enterprise were fully committed to God it might work but it invariably happens that the more slothful find they can eat without exerting much effort so they don't exert the effort they should and those who do work hard will get frustrated that their labor benefits them but little and so they stop working so hard. The end result is that productivity falls and want increases. I think they should have paid far closer attention to God's word rather than substituting man's wisdom on how to do things. [/QUOTE]
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