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Evolution is the science of the fossil record. Period. Human origins gets into philosophy, which is not science.
No, that would be paleontology. Evolution incorporates evidence from living beings and genetics as well.
 
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My previous post was going to be my last but I just noticed this, it seems that you're happy to accept the horse sequence posted as "adaptation" if it will fit into your "still the same kind" mantra - despite the fact that the sequence includes not only the emergence of new species but entirely new genus as well. Seems they fit the definition of evolution you provided a few pages ago.

Well done, you're an "evolutionist"!
 
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Is that so? Why don't creationists say "genus" then, instead of trying to muddy the waters?
For the same reason they don't say "so be it" for "amen," or "truly" for "verily"?
 
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Because nested patterns are inneficient in designed product lines.
But inevitable in an evolutionary process.
and yet this is what we found in a designed objects like vehicles.

These things don't fall into a nested hierarchy.

why not? they appearing according to time scale abd get more complex. this is a nested hierarchy.
 
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So, any differences are the result of common designer, any similarities are the result of common design.


the same with evolution- any similarity is the result of evolution and any difference is also the result of evolution.
 
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Because AV1611VET is just making it up.
Keep embarrassing yourself.
 
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Keep embarrassing yourself.

If anyone should be embarrassed it's creationists because of the lack of any sort of agreement on what 'kind' is supposed to mean.

You say genus. Some say species. Other creationists have come up with their own interpretations which tend to correspond with higher taxa like family or orders. And on it goes.
 
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What's funny about this post is that the origin of life on earth in no way effects evolution and that the origin of life is a God of the Gaps/red herring used by Creationists to avoid the massive amount of evidence supporting 3.5 billion years of evolution.
 
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I really wish you guys would do ALL the math, not just the final calculation and actually think about what you're claiming. Depending on when you date the Flood there would be a world population of between 67,000 and 500,000 in 1 CE when the population of Rome alone was 1,000,000.
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that computers reproduce and pass on genetic material to offspring?
 
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If doesn't contain any recoverable information, I would like to know how it gets even as far as trying to load the operating system.
 
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Do you still think I'm just making it up?

In a manner of speaking, yes. I can look up a dictionary definition for species for example, which also references the term 'kind' as a synonym.

At the end of the day, glomming onto dictionary definitions isn't particularly useful as far as biological criteria go.
 
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Maybe "kind" came first?

Remember Adam?

He wrote it.

Then Satan had it changed later.

I thought Moses was supposed to have been the author of the Pentateuch. Although, if he was, he had a curious habit of always referring to himself in the third person.
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that computers reproduce and pass on genetic material to offspring?
Not in the least, the point is that the most complex computer in existence cannot accomplish the simplest of tasks without first being programed. Where did that programming come from for complex life? Is it your belief that with enough billions of years, programming will evolve from nothing to an information system?
 
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