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MacIntyre and Taylor

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MacIntyre famously petitioned for another St. Benedict to found communities of virtue capable of withstanding secular erosion. Taylor intends to demonstrate the impossibility of the Benedict Option by showing the impossibility of being other than secular.

Taylor made his name with Hegel, a major book reintroducing its subject to English-language scholars in 1975. His debts to Hegel are apparent in his notion that the history of Western thought is sedimented into our experience of the present. The past remains active because our historical consciousness is shaped by the concepts and thought-forms inherited from earlier modes of human experience.

This conviction about how the past informs contemporary life guides the method and content of A Secular Age. It involves Taylor in a careful description of the contents of our experience. He wants to bring into focus the “background conditions” that frame our knowledge but usually escape notice. Most of us think we are aware of what most matters to us and that we formulate those concerns into explicit beliefs. Taylor maintains that this overlooks the hidden judgments, motives, and feelings that size up our world before we conceptualize it. These, he believes, have shifted.

The mark of a secular society is that believers can no longer enjoy a “simple” or “naïve” faith. The “conditions of belief” have changed such that Western Christians are now unable to believe without reservations, without uneasily looking over their shoulders. The honest believer must concede, “I am never, or only rarely, really sure, free of all doubt, untroubled by some objection—by some experience which won’t fit.” In sum: Secularism means that our Christian experience is now shaped by a lurking uncertainty.

MacIntyre combated the prejudice, uncritically affirmed by Taylor, that secular modernity is a historical dispensation from which there is no intellectual escape. He called his work a “radical renovation” of classical traditions of thought. Its most important consequence has been a growing confidence that the work of human reason can be undertaken in a context broader than that of modernity.

We would do well to listen to Taylor, but apprentice ourselves to MacIntyre.


Tayloring Christianity | Matthew Rose

My question is whether anyone here has read either of these authors and what do you think?

Or even if you haven't, what do you think?
 
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Let me try to reframe the question.

Is Christianity "haunted"?

I.e. is it possible to enjoy a faith which in not interrupted by some fundamental doubt, created by modern times, as to whether the whole thing is not merely some great joke?

Nietzche said that God is dead.

Does that mean that we are haunted by his ghost?
 
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Let me try to reframe the question.

Is Christianity "haunted"?

No, but I am certain that Nihilism is, insofar as if one believes in the soul-destroying spiritual delusion of Materialism, one risks being possessed as surely as if one dabbled in the occult, but by darker demons, the sort that would induce us to perform human sacrifices before idols bearing the Islamic crescent, the Red Flag, Hammer and Sickle, and the Swastika.

Christianity on the other hand is the opposite of haunted: it is Christ in whose name we pray and the demons take flight, it is the sign of the Cross before which they tremble; our sacraments turn them to smoke; our prayers are a trumpet to which trillions of angels rally, to surround us and defend us against all evil.

I.e. is it possible to enjoy a faith which in not interrupted by some fundamental doubt, created by modern times, as to whether the whole thing is not merely some great joke?

Yes, I think it is, by focusing on prayer, and looking to the resplendent faith of the most persecuted Christians, the churches that have recently produced the most martyrs, in the Socialist and Islamist lands.

Nietzche said that God is dead.

He might just as well have denied the existence of dark matter.

Does that mean that we are haunted by his ghost?

No, but we are haunted by Nietzsche’s ghost until we fully disabuse ourselves of his febrile Nihilistic phantasmagoria, the drug-like delusion that motivated the manifold Totalitarian materialist terrors of Lenin, Hitler, Mao, and their ilk.
 
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