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Edx said:So says the guy that thinks just saying "I am not wrong" is a smart argument.
Thats brain power Pitt, you said our brain power makes us the most complex "overall". Therefore you must have a way to mathematically measure complexity.
Find a scientific measurement or you have nothing but your own opinion
but that doesn't mean we have the most complex brain. It only means our brains have a high level of abstraction, but so do the brains of dolphins. Who knows, maybe the only reason they can't solve polynomical functions is because they don't have fingers.pittguy579 said:As I have said, show me a creature with more problem solving ability than we do. I have been waiting
Have you been able to do so? Nope
Checkmate
No, your opinion is based on a conflation on terms like complexity, advancement, intelligence, capability etc etc. That's not logic. You have yet to address the point that highest intellectual capability=/=most complexMy opinion is based on fact and logic
Please show me a scientist that doesn't believe we are the most intelligent creatures.
If it is in dispute or we if we aren't, there should be some scientific papers out there stating that notion
Then why are posts of you misreading others so abundant on this thread?pittguy579 said:Nope, I can read just fine. Others are either blind or functionally illiterate
Tomk80 said:No, your opinion is based on a conflation on terms like complexity, advancement, intelligence, capability etc etc. That's not logic. You have yet to address the point that highest intellectual capability=/=most complex
pittguy579 said:As I have said, show me a creature with more problem solving ability than we do. I have been waitingThats brain power Pitt, you said our brain power makes us the most complex "overall". Therefore you must have a way to mathematically measure complexity.
Have you been able to do so? Nope
Checkmate
Misrepresenting my position again! Very smart of you!My opinion is based on fact and logic
Please show me a scientist that doesn't believe we are the most intelligent creatures.
pittguy579 said:Well you have been and will continue to be wrong
You were wrong about what Gould said despite your obvious errors and tried to say I was making errors in reading what he said when it would have been obvious to a first grader.
Misrepresenting my position again! Very smart of you!
Intelligence is not a mathematical measure. When you were asked for one, and you said IQ. This shows you dont understand how IQ works, becuase if you cant even calculate the complexity of a human brain using IQ you certianly cant do it with other animals.
So once again can you come up with an objective mathematical measure to measure the complexity of an organism?
Remember you want to be able to say which organism is most complex "overall". But maybe Im speaking to someone who never did all that well with mathematics at school.
And you always give such articulated reasons.
Right, so I was wrong even though you were the one that said humans are more complex and more capable and more advanced "in every way".... except for reproduction, survivability, evolutionary success and biological complexity, they just dont count. YEY!
And Gould was 100% on your side, even though his whole point was saying we are not the most capable organism despite being one of the most complex.
Hell, even if we assume Gould really meant we are the most complex organism, he definietly didnt say we are the most capable. But thats right Pitt! He agrees with you 100%, and you are have been 100% right about absolutely everything here and have nevemisrepresented anyone! YEY! You are so wize!
pittguy579 said:Obviously you have a low IQ because I said problem solving and abstract reasoning abilitiy would be good measures. I said IQ was only an approximation.
I wonder if misrepresentation is what you do when you realise you have no argument left.So just show me an animal that has greater problem solving and analytical skills than we do
Show me one scientsit who supports your position that we may not be the
Right ok, the evidence is so overwhelming... yet you apparently still dont understand what a scientific measurement is. Too bad.Yes, the propensity of the evidence. Show me another creature that can do what we can do in terms of problem solving and analytical abilities. The evidence is overwhelming
Carefull pitt, wouldnt want someone to report you again would you?LOL you obviously didn't do well as far as reading and writing and artimetic. Did you actually make it out of elementary school? it appears to be you have a serious learnign disability.
Great! Too bad you cant understand what that means here and why its important.I am an engineer. Obviously I can do math
Becuase you dont have to give reasons when you say anything. You are like a god! What you say is gospel! You dont even have to produce scientific arguments! "Im right" is "smart" according to you.Even my poorly articulated ones are better than your rubbish
We are advanced in EVERY WAY AS FAR AS CAPABILITIES. DUH I was right and still am right and you are wrong.
100%? Aside from saying that bacteria rule us and dominate this planet. Yea, good job.Yes, he was 100% on my side in that he agrees with me we are the most complex.
I already said even if he meant we were the most complex by some criteria he never specified... he doesnt agree "we rule", whereas you said we did, he said we dont. Specifically disagreeing with what you said. Oh but thats right you meant a different kind of rule, I forgot! Just like I can say "my cat rules the world!", and be completely correct because Im talking in terms of "cuteness". Too bad you said humans are better "in every way", harder to weasel out of that one.You have been wrong, wrong, wrong when you have said he didn't say that.
We are the most capabale. He does agree with me
]No, you said humans are more complex overall.
Intelligence doesnt equal complexity. And IQ cannot measure intelligence well even in humans. You need to come up with an objective way to measure complexity.
I wonder if misrepresentation is what you do when you realise you have no argument left.
Right ok, the evidence is so overwhelming... yet you apparently still dont understand what a scientific measurement is. Too bad.
You said "in every way". Pitt.
Reproduction, survivability, evolutionary success and biological complexity are all capabilites of an organism. Its your problem if you think they dont count, you messed up and said "in every way", and that means they do.
I already said even if he meant we were the most complex by some criteria he never specified... he doesnt agree "we rule", whereas you said we did, he said we dont. Specifically disagreeing with what you said. Oh but thats right you meant a different kind of rule, I forgot! Just like I can say "my cat rules the world!", and be completely correct because Im talking in terms of "cuteness". Too bad you said humans are better "in every way", harder to weasel out of that one.
Where does he say we are the most capable? Have fun trying to find a quote to twis
So we are best in every way, apart from all those other ways I listed. Good job. Apparently the words "best in every way" really only mean "by pittguys narrow criteria".pittguy579 said:We are in terms of capabilities
Its not an objective measure. Learn how IQ works. You cant even objectively measure human intelligence.IQ does measure intelligence in humans.
Im tired of arguing against your terms which you make up as you go along. They are all totally meaningless.Intelligence does equal greater complexity in terms of capababilities.
Nope, you are the one misrepresenting. You never had an argument to begin with
I do understand it. Despite there being no way to IQ test dolphins, it is clear we have more overall cognitive horsepower. Let's look at accomplishments....
The evidence is overwhelming
In every way as far as function
In terms of functionality, we are
Gould says Bacteria rule this planet, just as they have for over 3 billion years. He literally says that.We do rule in terms of dominating the earth
and the heavens and being able to shape nature and the environment and being able to solve problems and overall functionality. The only thing you can say is "baceteria can kill us betteR" and not even that is the case.
That isnt a quote.We are the most c apableWhere does he say we are the most capable? Have fun trying to find a quote to twisWe are the most capabale. He does agree with me
b*unique said:can anyone tell me what is this discussion about?
]So we are best in every way, apart from all those other ways I listed. Good job. Apparently the words "best in every way" really only mean "by pittguys narrow criteria".
Its not an objective measure. Learn how IQ works. You cant even objectively measure human intelligence.
best in every way", really ended up having a lot of exceptions didnt it.
So you admit there is no way to test animals complexity using your measure of IQ. Well done.
you should be able to find some scientific measure to objectively state we are overall more complex.
And you bandy about terms like "cognitive horsepower", well, you also need to define that in a scientific way or it is also meaningless. Do you want to do science or not? Im aware thats a stupid question since it is directed at you.
Reproduction, survivability, evolutionary success and biological complexity are all capabilites of an organism. Its your problem if you think they dont count, apperently "best in every way", has a lot of exceptions
More advanced, more complex and more capable in every way, sure doesnt mean what it sounds like does it!
Gould says Bacteria rule this planet, just as they have for over 3 billion years. He literally says that.
Deamiter said:I'm just popping in to remind members that insulting others (including asking them insulting questions like, "are you stupid?") will not be allowed. Do continue the discussion of complexity if you wish, but insults will earn alerts and warnings.
And numerosity and survivability are all evolution cares about. Are we done yet?pittguy579 said:They rule as far as numerosity goes but that is about it
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