Lust, who's fault is it?

Archivist · Apr 27, 2010

According to an Iranian cleric, we can blame earthquakes on women in revealing clothing.

The cleric stated "Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which increases earthquakes."

The full story can be found at Muslims Blame Earthquakes On Cleavage: Do You Believe Breasts Cause Tectonic Shifts?

brinny · Apr 27, 2010

Command0182 said:
If a woman is topless, and a man looks, and lusts, is it the woman's fault? Or the man's?

If a man is topless (and with hot bod), and a woman looks, and lusts, is it the man's fault? Or the woman's?

What kind of question is that? If we are Christians, we are specifically mandated to keep our minds and hearts staid on our God and Lord and SAviour Jesus the Christ. We are also mandated to run from sin, just as Joseph did.

It falls on the "looker". You didn't know that? Really?

Test All Things2 · Apr 28, 2010

brinny,

Amen Sister!

The distinction between flesh (carnality) and the spirit.

Our God is completely and perfectly holy. So what does he desire us to be?

brinny · Apr 28, 2010

Test All Things2 said:
brinny,

Amen Sister!

The distinction between flesh (carnality) and the spirit.

Our God is completely and perfectly holy. So what does he desire us to be?

Amen, brother!!!

Leah · Apr 28, 2010

brinny said:
What kind of question is that? If we are Christians, we are specifically mandated to keep our minds and hearts staid on our God and Lord and SAviour Jesus the Christ. We are also mandated to run from sin, just as Joseph did.

It falls on the "looker". You didn't know that? Really?

Emmy · Apr 29, 2010

Dear Command0182. Jesus told us that just to look and lust, is sinning. We are told to love, and to lust is certainly NO LOVE. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

Rick Otto · Apr 29, 2010

seekingbutnotfinding said:
I would say it's the looker's fault.

Lust, in my view, does not come from simply being attracted to someone--it comes from the desire to objectify and control that person. Even those who walk around topless want to be treated with the dignity and respect of a human being.

Exhibitions designed to attract can be objectifying manipulations themselves, and assuming nobility of every topless woman is er, ah...

"Why is it the jerks who treat women awful always get the women?"
Stereotyping isn't one dimensional.

But yes, if we look upon bacon & eggs with lust, we have already committed breakfast in our heart.

GordieHowe · May 3, 2010

The person being looked at is not at fault, unless they are trying to lead another into temptation, which is unlikely, but definitely a sin.

Rick Otto · May 3, 2010

Unlikely?
Interesting.

puregrl · Jun 1, 2010

there are so many people (women really) that wear clothes that cause temptation. They do not think of it as temptation but as attention. They like the attention they get from the men. However, i always tell girls who wear stuff like that.. "what kind of attention are you trying to get?". So they do lead others into temptation, just dont see it that way. Its kind of odd that way.

OGM · Jun 1, 2010

puregrl said:
there are so many people (women really) that wear clothes that cause temptation. They do not think of it as temptation but as attention. They like the attention they get from the men. However, i always tell girls who wear stuff like that.. "what kind of attention are you trying to get?". So they do lead others into temptation, just dont see it that way. Its kind of odd that way.

The sexier cloths will get more WANTED attention from the wearer. They also learn that if they wear duller cloths they are ignored and fall in to the background. So that just reinforces the behavior.

That being said, as a guy I can tell you that these guys who keep staring at women who dress like that do it because they want to. They have the ability to look away. They have the ability to say no and not be tempted by the dealer selling weed or crack on the street as well. Temptation is a state of mine. Just because I go to a restaurant that has a bar doesnt me I have to guzzle down whisky. I can order a glass of water. Yes the waiter may offer me a wine list. I am not going to drool at it and then blame the waiter for tempting me with alcohol. There is a certain responsibility that comes with being an adult. As for womens; I am not tempted by women who dress sleazy, especially in church. I view them as being desperate for attention or a relationship. Hence I avoid them. Besides I would not want to be caught dead going out with a woman who dresses like a prostitute.

Rick Otto · Jun 1, 2010

Command0182 said:
If a woman is topless, and a man looks, and lusts, is it the woman's fault? Or the man's?

If a man is topless (and with hot bod), and a woman looks, and lusts, is it the man's fault? Or the woman's?

Consensuality is at work here. Lust isn't a passing sensation, it is delling on the sensual. You can't blame the temptress for your decision to entertain temptation.

Rick Otto · Jun 1, 2010

dnp200450 said:
The sexier cloths will get more WANTED attention from the wearer. They also learn that if they wear duller cloths they are ignored and fall in to the background. So that just reinforces the behavior.

That being said, as a guy I can tell you that these guys who keep staring at women who dress like that do it because they want to. They have the ability to look away. They have the ability to say no and not be tempted by the dealer selling weed or crack on the street as well. Temptation is a state of mine. Just because I go to a restaurant that has a bar doesnt me I have to guzzle down whisky. I can order a glass of water. Yes the waiter may offer me a wine list. I am not going to drool at it and then blame the waiter for tempting me with alcohol. There is a certain responsibility that comes with being an adult. As for womens; I am not tempted by women who dress sleazy, especially in church. I view them as being desperate for attention or a relationship. Hence I avoid them. Besides I would not want to be caught dead going out with a woman who dresses like a prostitute.

totaly right on.
Sometimes it's fun watching their reaction when you DON'T to give them the attention they seek.

OGM · Jun 1, 2010

Rick Otto said:
totaly right on.
Sometimes it's fun watching their reaction when you DON'T to give them the attention they seek.

They actually get angry! Or they start getting bolder. On starting asking my Father (Minister) and my Grandfather (Bishop) about ME at a Church picnic. Then she proceeded to ask my MOTHER for my mobile number! My mother being very wise, told here I am a speed dial on her home phone. Thus she did not have my actual number, which was the truth. All three of them then were laughing and warning me on the side. Those cloths were really awful.

Eventually when I left for an overseas project for a month she was heartbroken that we never, in her words "hooked-up". The bad thing about those persistent ones are they tell the cool girls that they are dating you. Though you never even would drive with them to the city dump to get rid of your rubbish. They're style of dress, walk and talk are just too trashy and annoying.

Rick you got me off on a tangent and brought back some bad memories I was trying to suppress.

Rick Otto · Jun 1, 2010

That's hilarious! I needed to hear that.

OGM · Jun 2, 2010

Rick Otto said:
That's hilarious! I needed to hear that.

Brother truth is almost always more bizarre than fiction isn't. I think she thought she was one day going to be married to a Bishop (me)!

It goes to show you that most of us don't find trashy women tempting. Actually, to this day, I am surprised when I hear all of these claims on Christian Forums about how all of these women are somehow causing all of us to stumble over our uncontrollable temptation. I have to both laugh and shake my head at the same time.

I was seriously thinking about this a few days ago. I was asking myself why would a woman, especially a Christian woman, marry a man who is tempted so much by women dressed in "club" cloths to the point to where he keeps staring and is even aroused? (I know, run-on sentence)

I am not a woman but I wonder if I would trust such a guy like that around female children and teenagers. To me it is not a simple clothing problem. There are much deeper issues there. I have very run in to Brothers like that. Maybe because in cities we see all sorts of stuff all of the time so it is hard to shock us.

I would hate to see what those guys would do on a topless Australian or clothing optional French beach. Maybe not; I would hate to see guys in their 20's suffering from cardiac arrest

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