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Luke 1:34

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Mary was entered into a contract to be married to Joseph, but she was still a virgin when she became pregnant with our Lord and Savior.

I'm not sure what your exact question is?


My question is the angel said Mary "will" concieve. Mary said she was a virgin during the time of the conversation. It's a present tense. She and the angel are not talking about the same thing.

Mary seemed know that she would be pregnant while still be a virgin and asked the reason for that. But the angle did not mention anything about virgin birth. The angle only said she would have a baby son some time after the conversation.
 
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Matthew 1:18-25

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[a]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[b] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[d] (which means “God with us”).
24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
 
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When angel told Mary she will have a son and how great he will be. Why Mary said she was a virgin?
The angel did not specify when this will happen. Mary's qustion I guess should be when will this happen and why me and etc. She had been engaged and it's natural to have a baby in the near future.

ok I took Luke 1:34 in NIV, NKJV, and KJV. They all say the same thing.

(NIV) 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
(NKJV)34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
(KJV)34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

When this conversation happened, she was still a virgin at the time. All one can get from this conversation was that Mary was lost on how she was to become pregnant or the logic behind it. For she only knew of one way it could happen.
 
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Hmm you've sparked my intrest about this one.

The angel goes on to tell her the holy spirit will come upon thee (eperchomai)
It actually implies a future tence.

See Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

The Lord in my experience is very casual with his use of time frame. You could almost be tempted to say way to casual for us. But as he said

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; Isaiah 46:10

Well he's the Lord and all power and Glory belong to him.

I've decided to make this a little side task. I'll see if I can get something definate on this for you.
 
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Yeah, this is a question that I hadn’t seen before! Thanks for bringing this up!

Here’s the relevant portions of the text in Greek:

Acts 1:30-33
Angel: μὴ φοβοῦ, Μαριάμ, εὗρες γὰρ χάριν παρὰ τῷ θεῷ. καὶ ἰδοὺ συλλήμψῃ ἐν γαστρὶ καὶ τέξῃ υἱὸν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν. οὗτος ἔσται μέγας καὶ υἱὸς ὑψίστου κληθήσεται καὶ δώσει αὐτῷ κύριος ὁ θεὸς τὸν θρόνον Δαυὶδ τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ, καὶ βασιλεύσει ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰακὼβ εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας καὶ τῆς βασιλείας αὐτοῦ οὐκ ἔσται τέλος.​

Acts 1:34
Mary: πῶς ἔσται τοῦτο, ἐπεὶ ἄνδρα οὐ γινώσκω;​

Acts 1:35
Angel: πνεῦμα ἅγιον ἐπελεύσεται ἐπὶ σὲ καὶ δύναμις ὑψίστου ἐπισκιάσει σοι· διὸ καὶ τὸ γεννώμενον ἅγιον κληθήσεται υἱὸς θεοῦ.​

It’s quite interesting. When the angel said to her ἰδοὺ συλλήμψῃ ἐν γαστρὶ καὶ τέξῃ υἱὸν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son and call his name Jesus, why didn’t she just think of the future – after her “coming together” with her husband? Is there a reason that she would jump to the conclusion that it had to be while she was still a virgin? Her response, πῶς ἔσται τοῦτο, ἐπεὶ ἄνδρα οὐ γινώσκω; how will this be, since I do not know a man?, just seems out of place.

I would say that there’s nothing in the Greek that suggests anything other than what is in the English. An angel appears and tells her that she’s going to conceive a son, and she jumps to the conclusion that it will take place while she’s still a virgin. It doesn’t seem sensible to me. Anyone have any ideas? This will require some more thought, it seems.
 
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Hmm you've sparked my intrest about this one.

The angel goes on to tell her the holy spirit will come upon thee (eperchomai)
It actually implies a future tence.

See Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

The Lord in my experience is very casual with his use of time frame. You could almost be tempted to say way to casual for us. But as he said

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; Isaiah 46:10

Well he's the Lord and all power and Glory belong to him.

I've decided to make this a little side task. I'll see if I can get something definate on this for you.

But you’re looking at the third piece of the puzzle, when Mary has already expressed unexplained surprised.
 
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Hi Yonah,

Didn't realise you spoke Greek too or I would have asked.

In response to your statement sorry my various posts are me arriving at different conclusions. It's interesting. I've started a topic on a Greek bible forum, the admins haven't accepted my post.

Logically however one must conclude some sense of imminence was implied.

Also look at this passage.

And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women. Luke 1:28

Ok so the angel says "the Lord [is] with thee:"

There's two possible conclusions to that statement.

1. The angel was telling her he was the Lord.

Now as some of us will know the Lord often appeared as an angel. We know for example the SDA hold the view that Micheal was the pre incarnate Christ. Hmmm debateable I like the theory however as far as I'm aware, every time God appears as an Angel, he's identified as The Angel of the Lord.

This text above simply says it's an angel.

The other possibility

2. The angel was simply confirming the Lord was with her. In which case she had the same pentecostal type Holy spirit that the apostles had and would therefore automatically discern the meaning of the angels message.
 
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When angel told Mary she will have a son and how great he will be. Why Mary said she was a virgin?
The angel did not specify when this will happen. Mary's qustion I guess should be when will this happen and why me and etc. She had been engaged and it's natural to have a baby in the near future.

In fact, Mary said that she did not know a man and thus implied she was a virgin. Notice that the angel did not mention Joseph: blessed are you among women (verse 28), You will conceive in your womb (verse 31). It takes two to conceive a child, doesn't it?
Mary was troubled (verse 29), did not understand how she could possibly become pregnant when she was not married yet.

Remember that Sara laughed when she heard that she would bring forth a son in her old age (Gen:18:12). Likewise, Mary was troubled because she did not understand how she could possibly conceive a child on her own.

Take a look at the greek text analysis and let me know if that answers your question

Luke 1:34 Luke 1:34 Greek Texts and Analysis
Luke 1:31 Luke 1:31 Greek Texts and Analysis
 
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I always took a simplistic approach to this question. While the Lord is quite casual in the Bible about prophecy, in this instance the angel doesn't seem to be speaking of an event that is far off in the future. And, due to the relatively young age at which girls got married at that time, it was a relevant question to ask. "I have never done anything to cause pregnancy, how can this be?" Because she was aware of the "birds and the bees" lol
I would have asked the same, had an angel appeared to me while I was still a virgin.
 
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In response to your statement sorry my various posts are me arriving at different conclusions. It's interesting. I've started a topic on a Greek bible forum, the admins haven't accepted my post.

I'm actually responding here because of your post on B-Greek. I sent you an email today regarding your post and what you need to do for it to be approved by the moderators. Did you not receive the email? If so, respond and I'll get your post approved. OK?

I searched for your post here because of your post there and decided to put my 2 cents in. :)
 
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