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Lost in Translation

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Someone please tell me what is so good about this movie? We rented it the other night and I had to fight myself to not get up and do something more interesting. It was not funny, it was not dramatic, it had no action, it wasn;t artistic... and I don't even wanna talk about the strip club part... I was watching it with my MOM! :p Does anyone else get very uncomfortable when you are watching a nude scene with a parent? hehehe

Anyways, what did people think was good about it? I can't think of anything. :\

CJ
 

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I thought it was excellent for showing just how lost these two characters were. I also thought the acting was great--very natural and I believed that these were the characters they were playing. I didn't think that they were two actors just trying to be the characters.

Perhaps if you've felt like they feel, you'd appreciate it more. I suppose if one can't identify with the characters because he or she has never felt that lostness and futility in life, then the movie wouldn't make sense or be interesting. I think watching two lost people searching for meaning and purpose is quite interesting, myself. And I did enjoy the art to it.

Strip club part could've been left out, though.

Did you like About Schmidt? I'm guessing no. They're a lot alike.
 
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Oh, and the humor was subtle but I thought it was great. I like it when a director gives the audience credit for being able to catch the humor themselves. It's different. Usually directors feel the need to hit the audience over the head with a brick in order to make sure everyone gets it. It's like they're saying, "Hey, look at that, I made a joke! Wasn't that funny?"
 
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Most reviews I've found look like this:
Summary: Boring
Summary: Exercise in tedium
Summary: One of the Most Boring Films of the Year
Summary: Deadly boring

I think it's safe to say, I don't think this film is for everyone. It's not fast paced. Not a lot happens on the surface. It kind of reminded me of times when my family would go to visit some of my favorite relatives and I didn't want to leave, when the time came.

Here is one of the better reviews:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/usercomments-646
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Date: 12 February 2004
Summary: painfully beautiful

(warning: scene examples used.)

Lost in Translation's title is perfectly just that-lost. In Sofia Coppola's movie about two strangers in a foreign land, the entire plot feels like a small part cut out of something larger; the storyline seems at some points directionless and by the end, the character's problems ultimately unresolved. But that's what makes this movie so painfully beautiful.

The film starts off with Bob Harris (Bill Murray), whose shining days as an American actor are now behind him, traveling to Japan to film commercials for whiskey. Hating himself for being reduced to a beverage spokesman, the job eats away at Bob as he wishes he were still making movies. Spending most of the time at the bar, in the hotel he's staying at, Bob tries to scrounge up any relief he can find through drinking. During a regular visit, Bob stumbles upon another seemingly lost soul like him, Charlotte (Scarlett Johansson). Charlotte, accompanying her photographer husband John, feels also out of place as John works through the week, leaving her to wander Japan alone. After the two meet, they quickly find solace in each other when they both realize just how commonly aimless they feel. What makes this movie work is mainly because of how these two actors pull off such remarkable performances. Murray slips on the role of this aged character to the point where it blurs the lines of whether he's acting or just displaying himself. Murray acts out quick witted comments with his character, giving brief hints that there is so much more to Bob but that the middle-aged whiskey endorsing actor is just tired of it all and is barely balancing himself from falling into a mental breakdown.

Johansson does the same by adding such a normal, human quality to Charlotte. Some of the best moments in the film come from Johansson simply when she doesn't speak, as if her character were briefly pausing to try and prevent a stream of emotions and speculations from overwhelming her. And that's how the comedic aspect of this movie works effectively. Coppola relies heavily on the notion of culture clash to get across most of the jokes, with abundant situations of misunderstandings between the two characters versus the rest of Japan. But it's the sense of weight that Bob and Charlotte carry on their shoulders that translates into the more humorous scenes of their adventuring in Tokyo. And that comedy sticks with the audience with deep tone of sadness clinging onto each joke, as both characters make it clear that after whatever fun they've experienced, it ultimately doesn't fill that hole in their lives. It's this sense of human fragility that Coppola shows in the movie that makes it a hauntingly memorable piece. Even though she recently graduated from Yale, Charlotte feels even more directionless then ever before, resorting to cheap tapes about soul searching in trying to make sense of her life. In a critical moment, she finally starts to realize certain aspects of her life, as she admits over the phone and to herself, `I don't know who I married.' In a similar scene, Bob catches a glimpse of his previous career on the television in his hotel room, revealing all the raw feelings and missed hopes solely in his eyes as he silently stares at the screen.

Some might argue about a weak ending because the character's problems aren't resolved at all and they're stuck in the same situation as before. Yet this is what strengthens the film. Because the characters don't solve all their problems no matter how much they want to, that just makes the film more of what it sets out to be. Even if we find brief peace in other people, like Bob and Charlotte do in one another, sometimes it's not enough.

As the title suggests, the film is about the process of people trying to translate to themselves what they want out of life: only to lose words and meanings here and there in their scattered interpretation. By connecting with each other, Bob and Charlotte start to scratch off the layers and get a grasp of what they truly want. And the age difference between the characters only makes it more poignant in showing that sometimes age and experiences can't solve all our troubles. All these bits and pieces, meanings and emotions, form a solid basis in which Coppola revolves her film around. With a simple setting in a foreign country, Coppola doesn't make her characters sound like insensitive tourists but rather further brings out what Charlotte and Bob are going through.

There's so much of this deeply filled movie waiting to be defined by its superficially simplistic, but ultimately resonating scenes that it makes Lost in Translation one of the most subtly powerful movies to come along in a while and something certainly not to be missed.
 
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Personally, I love movies along the lines of 'Lost in Translation.' It was beautifully made, and encompassed how foreigners in any country generally feel. It was about 2 people wandering around with nothing that even remotely feels "normal" to them, until they find each other. I love independant films and films of this artistic subtle nature.

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yeah, I gotta say that I definintely liked the film. I found it quite humerous, and I thought it was beautifully shot. Yup, the cinematography was really lovely from the urban night scenes to some of the shots out in the more traditional parts of Japan (don't know japan so well, was it kyoto? I don't know). Plus the soundtrack was produced by Kevin Shields who is a music genius. I also resonated somewhat w/the characters. I could understand them, I feel like a lot of movies don't pay a lot of attention to character development, which is so critical to a movie.

I actually watched it w/my mom too. I didn't feel all that uncomfortable during the risque scenes, even though she is an ultra-conservative, prim and proper woman. But that's just me and my mom, I can understand people not liking watching nude scenes w/the rents there.
 
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jidujiao said:
I suppose if one can't identify with the characters because he or she has never felt that lostness and futility in life, then the movie wouldn't make sense or be interesting.
You do realize who you are talking to, right? LOL!

CJ
 
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I had high expectations for this movie. I fell asleep somewhere in the middle, and I almost never do that.

The acting was top notch, probably becuase Bill was just playing himself.
Japan was great, it was neat to see all of the sights.

But the story just seemed flat to me. But on the other hand, I have been watching some movies, where the story is outragous compared to this story, so that has something to do with my feelings on the movie.

The movie is perfectly made, but in the end, its going to be the story that seperates who likes this movie, and who doesn't.
 
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SUNSTONE said:
But the story just seemed flat to me. But on the other hand, I have been watching some movies, where the story is outragous compared to this story, so that has something to do with my feelings on the movie.

I watched "Girl with a Pearl Earring" prior to watching it, also with Scarlett Johanson. It is another low key minimalistic type film. It may be hard to watch after seeing an edge of your seat type movie.

GWaPE and LiT are a great combo.
 
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It was a great mood piece. Nothing more, nothing less.

Take away the atmosphere, the somber tone, and the Truffaut, Antonioni, and Cassavettes-inspired visual compositions, what you really have are two paper-thin archetypal characters with seen-it-all-before problems of the movie-friendly character malfunction in seeking temporary purpose in life.

Also, setting the story on foreign soil was a clever conceit but nonetheless was a convenient one because it allowed Sofia Coppola to be able to magnify her two leads' inner struggle by placing them in a foreign country where their inner turmoil could be magnified more succinctly and efficiently.

But regardless, not to take anything away from the movie, it was most definitely a well made movie, entertaining movie with lots to look at, but still somewhat overrated.
 
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It was a great mood piece. Nothing more, nothing less.

Take away the atmosphere, the somber tone, and the Truffaut, Antonioni, and Cassavettes-inspired visual compositions, what you really have are two paper-thin archetypal characters with seen-it-all-before problems of the movie-friendly character malfunction in seeking temporary purpose in life.

Also, setting the story on foreign soil was a clever conceit but nonetheless was a convenient one because it allowed Sofia Coppola to be able to magnify her two leads' inner struggle by placing them in a foreign country where their inner turmoil could be magnified more succinctly and efficiently.

But regardless, not to take anything away from the movie, it was most definitely a well made movie, entertaining movie with lots to look at, but still somewhat overrated.

*chuckles* Well, it's an interesting way to aproach it, to say of a movie that if you take the key elements to it away, you have nothing left.
Lost in translation indeed is not an action movie, nor a movie with many plottwist. Most of the action is indeed within and it is a moodpiece: the atmosphere, the visiuals, the tone and the loneliness however are at it's core. Though I love stories within a movie, not every movie needs to conform to storytelling traditions.
 
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!!!!WARNING SPOILER!!!!!


I watched most of it before I fell asleep for about 15 minutes. I kept waiting for the two caractors to work some kind of chemistry together. Which they worked awesome chemistry together, its just that they were both lonely/bored. And I guess I couldn't relate to well, or something.

But I still shed a couple of tears at the end when they said goodbye, that was so sad. :(
 
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TerraSin said:
Someone please tell me what is so good about this movie? We rented it the other night and I had to fight myself to not get up and do something more interesting. It was not funny, it was not dramatic, it had no action, it wasn;t artistic... and I don't even wanna talk about the strip club part... I was watching it with my MOM! :p Does anyone else get very uncomfortable when you are watching a nude scene with a parent? hehehe

Anyways, what did people think was good about it? I can't think of anything. :\

CJ


I totally agree, L in translation is a stupid film. I'm not a film analyst by profession or anything but as a general critic, even I couldn't find anything substantial in the film that I could say is worthy of being called good. If I really had to reccomend the film in some form then I'd say the Japanese tourist board would be very pleased with the way in which the film has captured Japan. It's a good film for doing research on Japan. I guess the acting is mature but too mature for my liking. The conversations are too life like and in the end that's not what films are supposed to be. Films are supposed to provide entertainment that have at least some form of escapism.
LinTranslation is a boring film and it's a great drag.
 
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I thought it was a pretty good movie...I could relate. To find the jokes funny you kind of have to be into...Japan I guess to get what they are about, my friends and I thought it was hillarious ^_^ . I think the whole part with Bob Harris waking up with the singer lady from the bar could have been left out, that just totally killed his "image" I guess...
 
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bigsierra said:
I can understand not liking the movie, but I can't really understand this statement? :confused:

I guess all I'm trying to say is that Lost in translation is a film that doesn't offer the traditional forms of escapism that one finds in most other major Hollywood films. But then again Lost in translation did, I think, win recognition for being very different. It's not a completely unique film, but it does offer a new perspective on why independent films are made in the first place. It also shows why being independent of big Hollywood budgets and special effects etc can potentially be refreshing for certain audiences, but not for all.
 
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um . . . ok so let me recap here.

strip club scene in Lost in Translation = bad

and

Copious amounts of violence in The Passion of the Christ = good?

O_O

seriously having drawn many nude models in my previous college years um yeah nothing new there.

o_O i watched it with my roomate we didn't feel uncomfortable.

my mom doesn't like to watch R-rated flicks so she hasn't seen it. *shrugs*

My sister watched it with me and i hit the fast forward button cause she asked me too.

Though, personally if you are gonna accept the large amount of violence in The Passion of the Christ . . . to look down upon a what 5 minute strip club scene seems . . . kinda silly?

though I don't know if um the person who brought up the strip scene saw passion . . . but this is just kinda an example of some rather confusing logic that seems to spring up at times.

But whatever.

I personally was lukewarm to the film on first viewing.

But have grown to love it.
It's quite a good film.

One of my recent favorites.

:cool:
 
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