Losing salvation vs. once saved always saved

I'mHis · Mar 8, 2007

What is everyone's thoughts on this? A friend and I were discussing this last night. We both think you can lose your salvation, but we differed on what that line was. I am having a bit of a sin issue right now that I can't seem to beat, but I don't think I have lost my salvation. She seemed to think that since in this one area I was rebelling (or whatever you want to call it), that I have walked away from God. I guess you could say we were debating where the line was drawn. What do you all think? I'd like to look into it a little farther. I just think "losing salvation" is more when you completely turn your back on God and anything to do with Him, and walk away from everything. I don't think that because I am having a really difficult time that I'm not saved. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I just wanted to hear some other opinions on it.

JoeV · Mar 8, 2007

I don't really believe OSAS. It is possible to lose faith in God and therefore lose His forgiveness.

rosiecotton · Mar 8, 2007

I'mHis said:
What is everyone's thoughts on this? A friend and I were discussing this last night. We both think you can lose your salvation, but we differed on what that line was. I am having a bit of a sin issue right now that I can't seem to beat, but I don't think I have lost my salvation. She seemed to think that since in this one area I was rebelling (or whatever you want to call it), that I have walked away from God. I guess you could say we were debating where the line was drawn. What do you all think? I'd like to look into it a little farther. I just think "losing salvation" is more when you completely turn your back on God and anything to do with Him, and walk away from everything. I don't think that because I am having a really difficult time that I'm not saved. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I just wanted to hear some other opinions on it.

I believe more like you...that you can turn your back on God and walk away from Him.
But, if you lose your salvation due to sue....then WHEN exactly do you lose it? Is it when you have committed a certain number of sins? Or if you commit a certain kind of sin?
I really do not know where I stand on this issue. But I do wonder, if we can lose our salvation, how do we lose it? What do we have to do in order to lose it?

JoeV · Mar 8, 2007

rosiecotton said:
I believe more like you...that you can turn your back on God and walk away from Him.
But, if you lose your salvation due to sue....then WHEN exactly do you lose it? Is it when you have committed a certain number of sins? Or if you commit a certain kind of sin?
I really do not know where I stand on this issue. But I do wonder, if we can lose our salvation, how do we lose it? What do we have to do in order to lose it?

Maybe stop believing that God truly has the power to forgive sins. Also if we do not care about whether or not we sin.

LJSGM · Mar 8, 2007

just GIVE IT UP! Repent, turn from your sin and stop with the excuses

Matthew 5:29-31 (New International Version)

29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

I probably wouldn't go that far since God gives us the ability to control ourselves through faith, but it shows the seriousness of sin. Or did you want the watered down version?

fifi · Mar 8, 2007

JoeV said:
I don't really believe OSAS. It is possible to lose faith in God and therefore lose His forgiveness.

Amen to that.

JTLauder · Mar 8, 2007

The only unforgivable sin described in the Bible is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". Without getting into a lengthly exposition about it, simply, it's rejecting the Holy Spirit's leading and turning your back to God.

I take that to mean completely and willing rejecting God and putting him out of your life. If you decide to do that even after salvation, yes, you would lose that. But it's more of a heart condition than a one time action. I don't believe that you lose your salvation just because you've sinned. If that were the case, everyone would lose their salvation because no one cannot sin.

Is this sin issue you're dealing with a sin you're repeatedly committing or a sin that you're unwilling to confess and repent?
You have to ask yourself why do you continue in it or why do you not want to ask forgiveness for it.

If it's a sin that you're repeatedly commiting, you'll have to examine what's causing that and find some way to stop it. You have to decide if you really want to stop it or not.
If it's a sin you're refusing to confess to, ask yourself why? What is holding you back and what does that gain you?

Pray about it, and ask others to pray for you. Then you need to decide what's more important to you: to continue in that sin or being reconciled to God.

I'mHis · Mar 8, 2007

LJSGM said:
just GIVE IT UP! Repent, turn from your sin and stop with the excuses

Matthew 5:29-31 (New International Version)

29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

I probably wouldn't go that far since God gives us the ability to control ourselves through faith, but it shows the seriousness of sin. Or did you want the watered down version?

lol No, why would I want the watered down version?

GodHasPower · Mar 8, 2007

what salvation it would be if we could lose it?

LJSGM · Mar 8, 2007

I'mHis said:
lol No, why would I want the watered down version?

good on yah

JTLauder · Mar 8, 2007

JTLauder said:
The only unforgivable sin described in the Bible is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". Without getting into a lengthly exposition about it, simply, it's rejecting the Holy Spirit's leading and turning your back to God.

I take that to mean completely and willing rejecting God and putting him out of your life. If you decide to do that even after salvation, yes, you would lose that. But it's more of a heart condition than a one time action. I don't believe that you lose your salvation just because you've sinned. If that were the case, everyone would lose their salvation because no one cannot sin.

Is this sin issue you're dealing with a sin you're repeatedly committing or a sin that you're unwilling to confess and repent?
You have to ask yourself why do you continue in it or why do you not want to ask forgiveness for it.

If it's a sin that you're repeatedly commiting, you'll have to examine what's causing that and find some way to stop it. You have to decide if you really want to stop it or not.
If it's a sin you're refusing to confess to, ask yourself why? What is holding you back and what does that gain you?

Pray about it, and ask others to pray for you. Then you need to decide what's more important to you: to continue in that sin or being reconciled to God.

I'd also add to reassure you that by your very act of asking about your sin and wanting to be right with God, you have not yet turned your back on God, so by that fact you haven't "lost" your salvation. He's tugging at your heart which is why you may be troubled by it so you haven't ignored him yet. Just go to him and tell him the conflict you're having.

I'mHis · Mar 8, 2007

Thanks! I definitely want the straight truth. I could fool myself all day long if I wanted to, but I want truth. No water for me!! lol I don't want to make light of sin, not at all. I know what I'm doing is wrong, and I know I need to correct it. There's no question in my mind about THAT. But I just don't think I am not saved anymore just because I am having a really hard time getting throguh this. But I don't want to be fooling myself into thinking I am okay either, just because I want to believe I am saved. That's why I wanted others opinions, not just my own.

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I'mHis · Mar 9, 2007

JTLauder said:
I'd also add to reassure you that by your very act of asking about your sin and wanting to be right with God, you have not yet turned your back on God, so by that fact you haven't "lost" your salvation. He's tugging at your heart which is why you may be troubled by it so you haven't ignored him yet. Just go to him and tell him the conflict you're having.

Thanks!!! I appreciate all of your encouraging words.

Keenan · Mar 10, 2007

Whether or not we lose his forgiveness it is always attainable again. Reaffirming your salvation (or refilling your spiritual "well" as I like to say) isn't something to be done half-heartedly. If I were to commit a sin numerous times and continue to ask forgiveness it would lose it's meaning. Be true to yourself and God will forgive.

All the best!

Ps: LG you quoted my favourite verse! Whenever I go to make eye contact with a Lady that's got a bf/husband I think of it.

Merciel · Mar 10, 2007

Personally, I believe that one can lose his or her salvation. The line at which salvation is lost? I don't know. Personally, I don't really care to know. It's like if I were married. Perhaps my wife would stay with me if I cheated on her, but rather than figure how terrible I would have to be to her before she'd leave me, I'd rather figure out ways to love her better and figure out why I do things that hurt her (just as one should figure out why one seeks to hurt God by sinning against Him, my reason is usually resentment).

Ben12 · Mar 11, 2007

I'mHis said:
Thanks! I definitely want the straight truth. I could fool myself all day long if I wanted to, but I want truth. No water for me!! lol I don't want to make light of sin, not at all. I know what I'm doing is wrong, and I know I need to correct it. There's no question in my mind about THAT. But I just don't think I am not saved anymore just because I am having a really hard time getting throguh this. But I don't want to be fooling myself into thinking I am okay either, just because I want to believe I am saved. That's why I wanted others opinions, not just my own.

When I was stuggling someone showed me this verse that help me get past the tuff areas.

Hebrews 13:5
Let your character or moral disposition be free from
love of money [including greed, avarice, lust, and craving for earthly possessions] and be satisfied with your present [circumstances and with what you have]; for He [God] Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you nor give you up nor leave you without support. [I will] not, [I will] not, [I will] not in any degree leave you helpless nor forsake nor let [you] down ( relax My hold on you)! [ Assuredly not!]

StevenL · Mar 11, 2007

I believe both.

BustedFlat · Mar 11, 2007

I do not believe that our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life in pencil. If that were the case my space would be a hole in the parchment.

I think it is funny that the verse that set off the reformation is an Old Testament verse:

Hab 2:4¶Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

In Jesus

BustedFlat

Ben12 · Mar 11, 2007

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouths)

It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

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