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looks like same parables yet different
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A Brother In Christ said:
I will suggest....
I have heard this explained as the phrase Kingdom of heaven being used not to offend Jews who consider the use of the word God (G-d as they put it) , as something they are not willing to do to avoid any suggestion of taking His name in vain. With this in mind the two "kingdoms" are the same. But I will ask you back, to what does this "kingdom" refer?
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Jerrysch said:
kingdom of heaven believers and unbelievers....together
Kingdom of heaven has wheat and tares.Matt 13:25
good and bad...Matt 13:48
Matt preaches the kingdom of heaven.
kingdom of God...relm of believers only
Yet Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God.
Matt 12:29 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you
Luke 17:20b-21 kingdom of God cometh not with observation....the kingdom of God is within you
John 3:3b except a man be born from above he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5b born of water even the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:8
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Jerry, that's a great question - one that I struggle with having been taught the 2 kingdoms do not refer to the same thing. It seems like Luke 6 starting in vs 19 is Luke's version of the Sermon on the Mount. But it uses Kingdom of God. Also, "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of (God/Heaven).
I would like to hear more replies on this subject. Did Jesus preach the same sermon twice, just changing it around the 2nd time? Honest questioning, not desiring to argue...
I would like to hear more replies on this subject. Did Jesus preach the same sermon twice, just changing it around the 2nd time? Honest questioning, not desiring to argue...
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Matthew 5 and Luke 6 both give a list of Blessed are those... Matthew 5, Jesus uses the phrase Kingdom of Heaven. Luke 6, Jesus uses the phrase Kingdom of God. I understand that those 2 things are considered to be different, but when Jesus spoke, which one did He say?
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hindsey said:
Both....
The book of Matt is a theme book it is not in order..it is presenting Jesus as King.
The kingdom of the heavens is were wheat and tares...Matt 13:25, good and evil...matt 13:48
Kingdom of God ..when your saved only are you there...
luke 17:20-21 can not see it ..its with in you...
Both kingdom are going right know....kind like the kingdom of wash st .. is ruling as is the USA government is working
different messages are being told..yet they are simular which makes it difficult to sort out...
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I understand that you are saying Matthew and Luke are writing about 2 different kingdoms.
But, my question is this: Since they are both writing about what Jesus said, I want to know what it is that came out of Jesus' mouth. Did He say kingdom of God or kingdom of Heaven?
The only 3 answers are:
1 - they were said at different times. The recording in Matthew 5, and Luke 6 are events that happened similarly but at different times.
2 - the two kingdoms are the same thing. This goes against dispensationalists view of the differences of the kingdoms.
3 - one of the two is not exactly rehearsing the words of Jesus.
Which one of the 3 is it?
But, my question is this: Since they are both writing about what Jesus said, I want to know what it is that came out of Jesus' mouth. Did He say kingdom of God or kingdom of Heaven?
The only 3 answers are:
1 - they were said at different times. The recording in Matthew 5, and Luke 6 are events that happened similarly but at different times.
2 - the two kingdoms are the same thing. This goes against dispensationalists view of the differences of the kingdoms.
3 - one of the two is not exactly rehearsing the words of Jesus.
Which one of the 3 is it?
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Tractor1
Liberalism has taken the place of Persecution.
Actually it doesn't. Scripture speaks of different aspects of the kingdom, and in order to gain an understanding certain distinctions need to be addressed. In some passages the kingdom is said to be a present reality (Ps. 10:16; 29:10; 145:13), while in others it has a definite beginning yet future (Dan. 2:44; 7:13-14; Zech. 14:9; Matt. 6:10). Psalms relates that the Lord rules over an everlasting kingdom, but Christ instructs His followers to pray for it to come. Daniel told of a day when the kingdom would begin, meaning it wasn't presently in existence.
Another distinction is the difference in the kingdom's extent. Sometimes it's spoken of as universal (Ps. 103:19) and at others it's spoken of as earthly (Dan. 2:44-45; Isa. 24:23; Zech. 14:4-9).
Finally, there's a distinction in administration. Sometimes it's presented with God ruling directly, without a human mediator (Ps. 59:13; Dan. 4:34-37), while at other times God's rule is administered through a Mediator (My King, Ps.2).
The context will allow an understanding as to which aspect Scripture is speaking. Therefore, the terms "kingdom of heaven" (Matt.13) and "kingdom of God" (Mark 4 & Luke 8) should be understood to be speaking of the same thing.
In Christ,
Tracey
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Tractor1 said:
what kingdom is being talked about in the OT verses in context?
so if I called you John and said itsa close enough to tracey...its a name?
God pick these words carefully
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hindsey said:
4 Jesus was a teaching both different writer were moved by the Holy Spirit for certain reasons to bring out theme driven books...
Matthew ...talking about Jesus being King of the Jews
Mark .......talking about Jesus as the servant
Luke .......talking about Jesus the man
John ...... talking about Jesus as deity[God]
Matthew talks alot of the kingdom of the heavens but in Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and Hs righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
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