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My family and I are about to move to Charleston, SC due to the military. I got saved 4 years ago in the Penecostal church which I love dearly but which I also strongly disagree with concerning Tithing, being cursed, etc. I really feel it holds us back as far as recieving from the Pastor who is also my best friend. After studying what the Bible says about tithes it broke my heart to find out what the tithe was all about and how the the church throws it around like it's for our day, we don't believe it is. Are there any charasmatic bible teaching churches that DO NOT teach tithing? Thanks in advance :)
 

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How exactly did you get to the point of figuring that tithing is not for today...

God says He is always the same...
God said that we can try him on this. If we tithe he will bless us: Malachi 3:8-10
Jesus said the laborer is worthy of his wages... where do you think ministers should get pay from? Luke 10:7

But this is all just the basics... The bible actually talk about tithes offerings and amoses..
Giving the 10% tithe is actually doing the minimum.. do we really show God we love him by giving our minimum?
Amoses (spelling?) is when you give to the poor, which the bible obviously also talks about :)

Then the bible obiously also says to pay taxes.. Romans 15-16 & 1 Pet 2:13-17

But what you really should be getting to is not the doctrine of tithing but the doctrine of stewerdship..
It basicly boils down to: You actually have nothing but everything you have as possesions and money in the worlds eyes are already God's. So everything belongs to God.
But now you are only a stewerd of this.. The Parable of the Talents- Matt 25:14
And we are suppose to be good stewerds..
Which would mean:
-You don't waste money on stupid things.
-You budget and try to work well with your money
-You give to God's kingdom (yes even more than 10%)
-You take care of your possesions.
-You understand that God has everyright to come and take away everything at any moment.

Honour God with everything you've got, that includes your money!
You can't serve Mamon and God. Just one!

This leaves me with the question how you can define a church as bible teaching if it doesn't teach tithing? or rather stewerdship.

Ok enough from me.
-Heinrich
 
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RB4580 said:
My family and I are about to move to Charleston, SC due to the military. I got saved 4 years ago in the Penecostal church which I love dearly but which I also strongly disagree with concerning Tithing, being cursed, etc. I really feel it holds us back as far as recieving from the Pastor who is also my best friend. After studying what the Bible says about tithes it broke my heart to find out what the tithe was all about and how the the church throws it around like it's for our day, we don't believe it is. Are there any charasmatic bible teaching churches that DO NOT teach tithing? Thanks in advance :)

Well, now that you are sufficiently beat about the head and shoulders, how bout we just settle into what the real question should be. Instead of avoiding a legalistic man-centered tithing church, how about just looking for some folks who Love Jesus?

Find Truth, and all else is just hot air. :thumbsup: :D

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RB4580 said:
My family and I are about to move to Charleston, SC due to the military. I got saved 4 years ago in the Penecostal church which I love dearly but which I also strongly disagree with concerning Tithing, being cursed, etc. I really feel it holds us back as far as recieving from the Pastor who is also my best friend. After studying what the Bible says about tithes it broke my heart to find out what the tithe was all about and how the the church throws it around like it's for our day, we don't believe it is. Are there any charasmatic bible teaching churches that DO NOT teach tithing? Thanks in advance :)

Well tithing is for today.

But you should find a church that gives you the proper perspective on tithing, not one that doesnt teach it at all, nor one that says that if you don't tithe, you are cursed.

If one can't tithe on their income, then he shouldnt bother about tithing on anything else, like giving a portion of their time to God for quiet time every day. Or one day out of a week to rest. Come on be consistent.
 
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Andrew said:
Well tithing is for today.

But you should find a church that gives you the proper perspective on tithing, not one that doesnt teach it at all, nor one that says that if you don't tithe, you are cursed.
Agreed. :clap:

Just because there are some very bad teachings about tithing doesn't mean tithing is a sin. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water..:eek:
 
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Tithing is an old covenant law that was abolished on the cross. Some christians claim that that tithing is a principle that Abraham (and Jacob) started, before the law of moses existed, but Abraham was not tithing from his personal wealth, he was tithing from the plunder which was merely a custom of his day. God did not ask Abraham to tithe and there is no other example of Abraham ever tithing a second time in his life. Also, when Jacob made a vow to God to give a tenth of all God gave him, Jacob had decided in his own heart that he wanted to give God ten percent. Malachi 3 was writen by Malachi who was living under the law, because the Levites were breaking the law. Now that Jesus has been crucified, the law has been abolished and we are no longer required to give God a legalistic 10% of all our income. The New Testament church did not tithe. Now that tithing has been abolished we are supposed to give generously, cheerfully, sacrificially, and consistently. There are no legalistic requirements for our giving, but we are always supposed to give generously. Remember that when God asks us to give to Him, He's not trying to get something from us He's trying to Get something to us (and others)- you will reap what you sow, and the size of your harvest is determined by the size of the seed sown (Gal 6:7 and 2 Cor 6:9). You are blessed to be a blessing.
 
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Correction dear brother, Jesus came to FULFILL the Law, nor to abolish it. :)

Anyway I do agree with you that we are to give cheerfully however in order to be cheerful about your giving, know the reason why we should give... To fulfill a written law? OR because you know God loves you and you want to worship and love God with your giving... :) Therefore tithing no longer becomes a Law but a loving worship to Abba.
 
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Part of fulfilling the law is bringing an end to it. If we’re going to keep the Law of Moses’ commandment to tithe we may as well keep the other commandments which include observing Jewish feasts and holy days, offering animal sacrifices, shunning unclean meats, circumcision, and keeping the Sabbath day etc. See my point? When Jesus fulfilled the law He obeyed it, brought an end to it, and then introduced a grace/new covenant form of it. For example, Jesus obeyed the command to keep the feast of passover, then he fulfilled it by becoming the new covenant form of the passover lamb and abolishing the old covenant command to keep the feast of passover each year. In a similar way, Jesus obeyed the law of tithing throughout His life, and then brought an end to it on the cross when He abolished the law with its impossible requirements, and the type of giving that the new covenant church were a part of was not tithing, but giving generously (Acts 11:29).

Here are some verses that prove the law has truly been abolished and done away with:


For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. (Romans 7:6)


Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)


know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. (Galatians 2:16)



Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” (Galatians 3:11)



So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ [ Or charge until Christ came] that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)



So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law. (Galatians 5:1 NLT)



The former regulation [the Law of Moses] is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. (Hebrews 7:18-19)



But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, (Ephesians 2:13-15)



When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. (Colossians 2:13-14)

Tithing is a legalistic command that was abolished at the cross. We are now required to give generously, sacrificially, cheefully, and consistantly because this is what the new covenant church did. Tithing was a complete non issue for the new testament church. God no longer requires 10% He requires a personal spirit of generosity. (i believe that true spirit filled generosity will always result in giving more than 10% - however we must never make that a law, because if we do we are simply oveying the law of tithing all over again).

If one struggles with motivation to give generously when there is no new covenant commandment to give anything at all (2 Cor 8:7-8 NLT) then one needs to get a revelation of the power, purpose and impact that one's wealth can have on other people's lives, and one needs to understand that they will only reap according to the size of seed they sow (2 Cor 9:6).

The law of tithing has been abolished. God has freed us from this legalistic command of the old covenant.

God bless you as you study His Word!
 
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Tithing is an old covenant law that was abolished on the cross.


Firstly, the law was never abolished, it was fulfilled.

Second we're not talking about tithing under law.

If we go by your reasoning, then does that mean we also forget about Thou Shalt Not Kill becos this law has been "abolished"?

No it has been fulfilled. And we don't kill today becos we love. Likewise, we tithe today becos we love.
 
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there is no law that says you have to give
god will still love you for free
you will find most churches have a collection plate give what you can

That's the point just there. 'give what you can'. Some folk gladly give 50% cos they can, the widow in the bible gave her last mite. The focus should be on the giving here. It's a good habit to get into. Charity begins at home though. the early church (in Acts) used to give to each other. Not as an outreach but to support the Christian community. It would be unwise of us to give all our money away and starve though, unless of course God has asked us to do so in faith. If He's asking you to give He will provide for you.
 
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Firstly, the law was never abolished, it was fulfilled.

Second we're not talking about tithing under law.


If we go by your reasoning, then does that mean we also forget about Thou Shalt Not Kill becos this law has been "abolished"?

No it has been fulfilled. And we don't kill today becos we love. Likewise, we tithe today becos we love.

see my previous post for proof that the old covenant law of tithing was truly abolished and done away with when Jesus fulfilled it. If these old covenant laws are not abolished but are "fulfilled" then why don't you still keep the sabbath, and observe jewish feasts etc? Because they were abolished along with the law of tithing.

Even though the ten commandments (and every other commandment from the law of moses) has been abolished, there are still some commands that we need to keep. However, these are NON-legalistic commands. These include loving god and your neighbour etc etc. That's one of the reasons that we don't murder. (you pointed that one out yourself).

we are required to give generously today because we love. the legalistic law of 10% was abolished at the cross along with the sabbath etc etc, but giving generously out of love remains today.
 
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Wakeup2god said:
Some folk gladly give 50% cos they can, the widow in the bible gave her last mite.
Isn't amazing that the poorest gave 100% whilst the rich only gave a percentage of their surplus?
Wakeup2god said:
The focus should be on the giving here. It's a good habit to get into. Charity begins at home though. the early church (in Acts) used to give to each other. Not as an outreach but to support the Christian community. It would be unwise of us to give all our money away and starve though, unless of course God has asked us to do so in faith. If He's asking you to give He will provide for you.
Amen to that :)
 
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RB4580 said:
My family and I are about to move to Charleston, SC due to the military. I got saved 4 years ago in the Penecostal church which I love dearly but which I also strongly disagree with concerning Tithing, being cursed, etc. I really feel it holds us back as far as recieving from the Pastor who is also my best friend. After studying what the Bible says about tithes it broke my heart to find out what the tithe was all about and how the the church throws it around like it's for our day, we don't believe it is. Are there any charasmatic bible teaching churches that DO NOT teach tithing? Thanks in advance :)

Thank God some are actually studying the Word and SEEING what He says. May God bless you in your journey away from bondage! Don't let the sons of Hagar even slow you down.
 
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Heinrich said:
How exactly did you get to the point of figuring that tithing is not for today...

God says He is always the same...

I couldn’t agree more, God says He’s always the same, so why is it permissible for the tithe to be taught in a way that is contrary to the Scriptures?

Again, I’ll ask with all due respect, where did the tithe as God in His Holy, inspired, infallible Word “switch” or “change” the tithe from what He defined it as (produce/grain/animals) to currency as is taught today? Please chapter and verse.

Heinrich said:
God said that we can try him on this. If we tithe he will bless us: Malachi 3:8-10

I would respectfully suggest you do some research as to what was going on in Israel at the time Malachi wrote his book and read the Torah as to what the tithe was used for and I think it will become clear as to what Malachi was referring to when God says He will bless us.

This is what happens when the Scriptures are lifted up out of their original historical and cultural context, a “gap” of understanding is created and with this “gap” fallible man can and does create their own meaning to what the original author wrote.

Heinrich said:
Jesus said the laborer is worthy of his wages... where do you think ministers should get pay from? Luke 10:7

What was the context of this passage……….it has nothing to do with tithing or paying a pastor.

Heinrich said:
But this is all just the basics... The bible actually talk about tithes offerings and amoses..
Giving the 10% tithe is actually doing the minimum.. do we really show God we love him by giving our minimum?

The Bible also refers to taking the women of the people we go to war against as our wives, are you doing that as well?

Heinrich said:
But what you really should be getting to is not the doctrine of tithing but the doctrine of stewerdship..
It basicly boils down to: You actually have nothing but everything you have as possesions and money in the worlds eyes are already God's. So everything belongs to God.
But now you are only a stewerd of this.. The Parable of the Talents- Matt 25:14
And we are suppose to be good stewerds.

I agree.

Heinrich said:
Honour God with everything you've got, that includes your money!
You can't serve Mamon and God. Just one!

If we can’t serve two masters, then why is this twisting of God’s Holy inspired, infallible Word tolerated?

Heinrich said:
This leaves me with the question how you can define a church as bible teaching if it doesn't teach tithing? or rather stewardship.

Because tithing and the “enforcement” of this doctrine is in no way Biblically appropriate for the follower of Jesus today in the year 2005. Giving is appropriate, enforcing an irrelevant baseline for giving is not.
 
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Please don't automatically equate non-tithers = non-givers.

I no longer "tithe" as taught in most PC churches today. But I do give.

I give more now than when I "tithed" before.

And there is liberty.


I agree.We give with what is put on our hearts to people in need/and besides God loves a 'cheerful giver',and it is' more blessed to give then to recieve'when you don't have to do it in and under any 'bondage',but freely....freely you have recieved..freely give. That is not just money, but the Lord has also showed us it is our time,abilities,gifts,whatever we have give....everything is His anyways.
 
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