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I read everything just fine. You claim that Calvinists are Calvinists because they were taught Calvinist things by other Calvinists. And now you assume all are raised in the church then? Wrong again. My father was raised Methodist and his father was an abusive alcoholic, though they attended regularly. My father doesn't care to talk about it much, but it seems that their religion was habit. So my father decided he wasn't going to do anything that my grandfather did and decided he wasn't going to raise us in the church. There wasn't even a Bible in my home.It would do you well to read what I said. I said I believe in most people they are taught those beliefs within their church. From youth.
So your entire premise is flawed.
So. Why not respond to what I did actually say.
We're talking about logical problems with calvinism. Talk about thatHello everyone in this thread.
I hope that you guys can come back and we can get back on topic. I would really like to open the discussion talking about the covenant that Jesus made with all of us and the seal of the Holy Spirit which is our guarantee of our inheritance in Christ.
This sounds like opinion. Strange that these guys had such an affect on Christianity. I wonder how that happened?You got it. And let me say, these Reformers Luther and Calvin didn't even get their beliefs from the Bible. Yes, they reasoned some new things from their reading of the Bible. But they already were reading the Bible alongside Augustine. They had the Augustine glasses on and then they came up with a more consistent Augustinianism. They didn't bring us back to the truth.
Go on, get on the little boat, we'll talk on the island, you first.
This sounds like opinion. Strange that these guys had such an affect on Christianity. I wonder how that happened?
and Who allowed these things to occur?This is how it happened: The Great Falling Away. Remember Mystery Babylon (Rome) has many harlot daughters (denominations).
Yeah you are definitely trolling.
At least we can agree that all things in this world are in His hands.The Most High.
I never said 'all'. You added that. But I feel in most cases that is true.I read everything just fine. You claim that Calvinists are Calvinists because they were taught Calvinist things by other Calvinists. And now you assume all are raised in the church then? Wrong again. My father was raised Methodist and his father was an abusive alcoholic, though they attended regularly. My father doesn't care to talk about it much, but it seems that their religion was habit. So my father decided he wasn't going to do anything that my grandfather did and decided he wasn't going to raise us in the church. There wasn't even a Bible in my home.
Looking back over the years I remember people trying to reel me in, either a youth group event or church lock out and I even attended a few masses with Catholic girlfriends. I remember laughing at the reading of Revelation during one of these Sundays, thinking how ridiculous it sounded. I rejected God and all things spiritually because I wasn't ready, for whatever reason it just wasn't my time.
It wasn't until I was 30 years old that all the seeds that were planted in years past, and a specific conversation between myself and a woman living across the street, that things began to change drastically for me. Out of nowhere I began to feel guilty about my sinful life, I was worried about my salvation, and I had so many questions. That is when I sought answers and was given a Bible, and I read the whole thing in one years time. I had such zeal and fire, I wanted to learn everything I could, so I read it through again, this time learning new things that I had missed. A lot of the questions I had regarding the changes in my life started to make sense. I realized the truth of my nature prior to this point, and why the Bible had no affect on me in my youth, and how God had set me apart at a specific time in my life, and why I began to feel guilty all of a sudden, and what God had done for me through Jesus, and that I should live for Christ who bought me with his blood. All these questions point to God's purpose and I truly began to see how little control I had in this life. It wasn't until later that I was told my understanding was in line with Reformed Theology, more specifically Calvinism.
So tell me again how I was raised a Calvinist?
The great falling away that is spoken about in the New Testament is not Babylon.This is how it happened: The Great Falling Away. Remember Mystery Babylon (Rome) has many harlot daughters (denominations).
Slowing something to occur is very different than orchestrating everything. You agree?and Who allowed these things to occur?
Can you not fathom that God ordained all things? Or are you going to go on with life believing all things are left to chance?Slowing something to occur is very different than orchestrating everything. You agree?
Have you never heard that you should never ASSume anything, especially concerning other people?I never said 'all'. You added that. But I feel in most cases that is true.
Notice that I said 'most' before you accuse me again of saying 'all'
I believe that through the Holy Spirit that God is drawing each one of His own to Himself.Can you not fathom that God ordained all things? Or are you going to go on with life believing all things are left to chance?
Many people read the Word without spiritual insight.Have you never heard that you should never ASSume anything, especially concerning other people?
Good job ignoring everything else I wrote.
I've been very forthcoming. Don't be rude.Have you never heard that you should never ASSume anything, especially concerning other people?
Good job ignoring everything else I wrote.
Your reference to Eph 1:4 reveals how much you've misunderstood the verse.All elects received God based on God's own choice made before they were even born but not based on what the elects do down the road of thier life. This makes boasting Impossible. Free willer semi pelagians creates imaginary boasting from self illusioned free wills and post self destructive topics like this one.
What in the world kind of response is that to what I posted???Too much intellect never sends a soul to heaven either.
Oh, I see. iow, if I were more "creative" (whatever that might mean in your mind), you'd actually engage my posts? Huh?The problem with you is that you're not creative.
This is just pathetic. And a thin veil trying to disguise your obvious inability or unwillingness to engage my views.You fit in the dominant conversationalist listed in the psychiatric disorders. You're stiff and noncreative. Creativity is art. You need talent.
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