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Since you can't find anything relevent to your point in the 6th trumpet, you go to the 1st seal and then the 6th seal?
BTW, the 6th Seal is the END of the 5th months, not the beginning. There is a complete lack of cohesion in your arguments.
BTW, I have seen this exact breakdown in exegesis (similar to the path whirlwind is going down) before in my personal life with a close friend. And it was degenerative and not pretty to watch...
Symbolism is almost always explained in scripture. Jesus explains the symbolism in the parables. The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns is explained in Daniel. Revelation needs to be taken literally. I've read some remote, far fetched interpretations from so called scholars that is totally unrelated to what the scripture is saying. God does not want to confuse us. Wiith all this weird symbolism, you might as well just forget about it and wait and see what happens.
Fire is fire,
death is death,
fish are fish,
144,000 Jewish converts are 144,000 Jewish converts,
somthing that looks like a burning mountain thrown into the sea is just that,
a volcanic eruption or asteroid.
1/3 of the people on the planet dying from this cataclysm of events means just that.
Don't make it anything else.
People getting stung by 200 million scorpian-like locusts and being tortured for five months is what is going to happen. These are demons that are released from the Abyss. You haven't seen anything that horrifying yet. The Great Tribulation will not be mistaken or misinterpreted for your past symbolic events. I don't know who you are reading or where you are getting these ideas but be cautious. You may be setting yourself up for a rapture that won't occur as soon as you'd like it to. Pre-tribulation adherents will be disappointed when all this devastation happens and they are still here.
I'm not going to keep going over and over the same points. I will adress the above. Please notice that there is no "first seal." The one describing the arrival of Satan is "one of the seals." You should question why it is given that way.
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Breakdown? Because someone sees things you don't means they are on the road to hell?
I'm not going to keep going over and over the same points.
Symbolism is almost always explained in scripture. Jesus explains the symbolism in the parables. The dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns is explained in Daniel. Revelation needs to be taken literally. I've read some remote, far fetched interpretations from so called scholars that is totally unrelated to what the scripture is saying. God does not want to confuse us. Wiith all this weird symbolism, you might as well just forget about it and wait and see what happens.
Fire is fire,
death is death,
fish are fish,
144,000 Jewish converts are 144,000 Jewish converts,
somthing that looks like a burning mountain thrown into the sea is just that,
a volcanic eruption or asteroid.
1/3 of the people on the planet dying from this cataclysm of events means just that.
Don't make it anything else.
People getting stung by 200 million scorpian-like locusts and being tortured for five months is what is going to happen. These are demons that are released from the Abyss. You haven't seen anything that horrifying yet. The Great Tribulation will not be mistaken or misinterpreted for your past symbolic events. I don't know who you are reading or where you are getting these ideas but be cautious. You may be setting yourself up for a rapture that won't occur as soon as you'd like it to. Pre-tribulation adherents will be disappointed when all this devastation happens and they are still here.
Hi Ronald,
We must see what the vision means for the literal scripture you quote doesn't speak of literal things. The fire, hailstones, mountains, etc. are symbolic...not literal.
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Let me help you here. NO THEY ARE LITERAL. Please see my signature.
What does the scripture say about the locusts?
They have power as scorpions do when they sting.
They attack ONLY those who have the mark of the beast. So Christians are not attacked. That never happened in any war.
Also very important is that this torture lasts for 5 months and NO ONE DIES FROM THEIR STING! Men will desire to die but will not be allowed to ... has that happened in history? NO!
The Shapes of the locusts were LIKE horses, with breastplates of iron armor with faces LIKE men and the the sound was LIKE chariots.
Hal Linsey thought the locusts were symbolic for helicopters. But 200,000,000 helicopters? And bullets that torture people but don't kill them? NO!
Abaddon is their leader -- when he is released fromt he bottomless pit along with these creatures, you will know that this is entirely something that has not occurred in history.
We agree that it has never happened before.
We disagree on the meaning of the locusts.
According to your first post, the fifth trumpet and locusts were released and all the the other events...
Did you change your mind about that, because it's kinda contradictory to open up with a claim on a particular interpretation and then later pretend like you believed something different all along.???
Either way you are entitled to believe whatever you want -- no problem here.
According to your first post, the fifth trumpet and locusts were released and all the the other events...
Did you change your mind about that, because it's kinda contradictory to open up with a claim on a particular interpretation and then later pretend like you believed something different all along.???
Either way you are entitled to believe whatever you want -- no problem here.
What did I change my mind about? Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
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I watched a very interesting program a few days ago. In it, the speaker as many of us today, was sounding the trumpet. Some of the information he brought forward bears repeating. One thing he mentioned several times was the year [1969] being a marker. That date was one I too have seen in that light. He didnt elaborate so I dont know why he was adamant about it except to say that forty years, [1969 to 2009], is a Biblical generation and numerically signifies probation, as in forty years in the wilderness. The other two generations given are 70 years and 120 years.
My understanding is after the forty years of probation, [1969-2009], there are 3 ½ years until the end of days but that time has been shortened, said twice for emphasis!
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.I believe Scripture tells us [Rev.9:5, 9:10] it was shortened to the last five months of this age which shall be the great tribulation of Satan. If 1969 was indeed correct then we are very close to the beginning of those last few months! Interestingly, 2009 also marks 70 years from WW11 which began in 1939. So, did 2009 consecutively end the seventy years of tribulation [Jeremiah 29:10] and the forty years of probation He tells us of? Both 70 and 40 being Biblical generations.
As I said, I dont know why the speaker was shown something very significant in 1969 but in googling (is that a word?) the date I saw several events that displayed a change. And, speaking of change connected to the year 2009 .Barack Hussein Obama was inaugurated and the worst financial crisis of the United States and global capitalism since the Great Depression happened. The tribulation of the last days began leading to the great tribulation?
The premise the speaker put forth is that the fifth trump sounded in 1969, beginning the forty years of probation ..releasing the locusts. Some of the events associated with the locusts swarming in 1969 are excerpts taken from ..
And so it began. The locusts were released:
Four Different Stages of Locusts:Revelation 9:1-4 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Palmerworm ~ The pupa stage. The Hebrew definition is = the gnawer.
Locusts ~ The imago state. Hebrew = the swarmer
Cankerworm ~ Hebrew = the devourer
Caterpillar ~ The larva stage. Hebrew = the consumer
These four words show the completeness of the destroying agencies. The Hebrew reads Gnawers remnant, Swarmer eats; Swarmers remnant, Devourer eats; Devourers remnant, Consumer eats. ~ E.W. Bullinger
So, we see they arent literal bugs. These locusts dont consume what a real locust would. They can only harm the unsealed those without truth or the love of the truth. How do they harm? Through terrorism certainly but also through economic terrorism. Those that are sealed know when the end nears, know to prepare and put aside what may be needed during their time of rampage.9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
There our Father gives us the identity of their king who guided his subjects to take down the two towers on 9/11 .in verse 9:11. The prince of this world is the king of the locusts.Joel 1:3-4 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.
Joel also prophesied of the locusts:
1:6,15 For a nation is come up upon My land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion. (15) Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2:23-26 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first [month]. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and My people shall never be ashamed.
"The years that the locust hath eaten." How hath they eaten?
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To 1Whirlwind,
So according to this first post, you are claiming that the fifth trumpet, was already blown, locusts released and symbolically interpreting all of it. This assumption implies that trumpets 1-4 with the castastrophic events within them have already taken place.
That's what I'm talking about! I don't like to put people up against the wall but let's be honest about our claims, let's also concide if we are wrong too.
Change of mind is good when you are proven wrong and all the facts say these events within the trumpets have not happened yet.
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