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[chconcerned]

this thread has been started as it seems alot of people here agree that removing the foreskin is morally acceptable

so what other human body parts should we remove?
maybe some ones without use and some that have known to cause medical issues.

here's the list and please add to the list of what is *morally* acceptable to remove

VOMERONASAL ORGAN

EXTRINSIC EAR MUSCLES

WISDOM TEETH

NECK RIB

THIRD EYELID

SUBCLAVIUS MUSCLE

PALMARIS MUSCLE

MALE NIPPLES

ERECTOR PILI

APPENDIX

PLANTARIS MUSCLE

THIRTEENTH RIB

MALE UTERUS

FIFTH TOE

FEMALE VAS DEFERENS

PYRAMIDALIS MUSCLE

COCCYX

PARANASAL SINUSES

so just like the foreskin lets start removing them from birth

 

[Witchy Bee]

*sigh* You don't have to take things so literally...
They had to take my lenses not long after I was born or else I'd be blind, and I'm glad they did. I don't miss them, because I never knew I had them in the first place. Do you see what I mean?

 

[chconcerned]

yes but that was an immediate medical issue, but hacking away at a non consenting creature is never a moral thing common you have to see that

 

[lawtonfogle]

this thread has been started as it seems alot of people here agree that removing the foreskin is morally acceptable

so what other human body parts should we remove?
maybe some ones without use and some that have known to cause medical issues.

here's the list and please add to the list of what is *morally* acceptable to remove

VOMERONASAL ORGAN

The what? I haven't a clue what this is.

EXTRINSIC EAR MUSCLES

With training, (at least some) people can learn to wiggle their ears with that (if I am taking of the correct muscle). I have heard from one such person that that increases mate attraction powers.

WISDOM TEETH

Are they there at birth? If so, it would save a lot of people trouble to remove them then, especially if we could tell the ones who will not have enough room for them to come in.

NECK RIB

THIRD EYELID

SUBCLAVIUS MUSCLE

PALMARIS MUSCLE

Not sure what these are.

MALE NIPPLES

Last I checked, human males can lactate.

Yeah, if you want to talk about messing a child up for life, have the father say (truthfully) "I breast fed him when he was little." to the first girl he brings home.

ERECTOR PILI

Once again, what?

APPENDIX

It would help some people, especially if the operation was safe at a young age. Especially for those who are unable to feel pain or have resistance to pain in that general area.

PLANTARIS MUSCLE

Once again, don't know what that is.

THIRTEENTH RIB

Is it all that useless? More bones is the body may be a bad or a good thing, I haven't a clue.

MALE UTERUS

Wait, we have one. Hmm... I should read up on this.

FIFTH TOE

That actually helps me balance some.

FEMALE VAS DEFERENS

PYRAMIDALIS MUSCLE

COCCYX

PARANASAL SINUSES

Not a clue what these are, though Coccyx looks familiar.

so just like the foreskin lets start removing them from birth

Well, for a few of these, I don't see much disadvantage removing them near birth if the operation can be done efficiently.

 

[lawtonfogle]

yes but that was an immediate medical issue, but hacking away at a non consenting creature is never a moral thing common you have to see that

If hacking away is never moral, then even in the case of a medical emergency, it isn't moral.

Also, define consent here. Are we saying you have to be 18 to get your ears pierced?

 

[chconcerned]

ok lets clear this up as it's pretty early morning and i'm still only half awake.
immediate medical issues are exempt of course yes remove the appendix if there is a problem, not because it has happened to others in the past, if there is no specific reason to say that a person may have an issue leave it alone because in all likelihood everything is going to be just fine. I had to have a growth on my hand removed before my third birthday, medical issue it WAS going to cause me problems later in life, the only issue i have now in that area is a near useless thumb

consenting means that they know what is going on, they are informed of the positives of the surgery and the inherent risks involved

 

[b&wpac4]

Ok, is this not just another "I hate circumcision" thread?

 

[chconcerned]

Ok, is this not just another "I hate circumcision" thread?

not denying that

 

[b&wpac4]

not denying that

I already agreed with you that it probably should not be routine practice at a hospital.

 

[lawtonfogle]

ok lets clear this up as it's pretty early morning and i'm still only half awake.
immediate medical issues are exempt of course yes remove the appendix if there is a problem, not because it has happened to others in the past, if there is no specific reason to say that a person may have an issue leave it alone because in all likelihood everything is going to be just fine. I had to have a growth on my hand removed before my third birthday, medical issue it WAS going to cause me problems later in life, the only issue i have now in that area is a near useless thumb

consenting means that they know what is going on, they are informed of the positives of the surgery and the inherent risks involved

Even with no indication of it possibly causing a problem, I still think the appendix should be removed in the people who are physically unable to feel the pain it causes when it inflames before bursting.

 

[chconcerned]

Even with no indication of it possibly causing a problem, I still think the appendix should be removed in the people who are physically unable to feel the pain it causes when it inflames before bursting.

how many people are physically incapable of feeling pain? not a huge portion of the population, these people can, should and are handled case by case

 

[lawtonfogle]

how many people are physically incapable of feeling pain? not a huge portion of the population, these people can, should and are handled case by case

Of course I was saying case by case for them.


I'm the kid whose legs are slightly misshaped such that they do not cause problems in day to day activities, but when I try physical technique intensive activities (such as skiing or martial arts) they pose a problem. The solution would have been to basically break my legs (surgically) and let them heal back corrected. I am not going to do that now, but I don't know if I would have mined it being done as a young child (assuming all went well), though I do like making grown men sick in their stomachs with the ways I can twist my feet.

 

[lisah]

this thread has been started as it seems alot of people here agree that removing the foreskin is morally acceptable

Are you certain that you're not confusing humane with moral? (or, maybe I am. )

(moral implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong <the basic moral values of a community>. Webster's )



Aren't there reasons within a society that would make it moral, especially within a religious framework?

Can you list any circumstances that might make it "moral"?

I can not find an absolute that would make circumcision an immoral practice. It is much easier for me to suggest that it is not altogether humane and is not a necessity, than it is to suggest that it is immoral.

 

[chconcerned]

circumcision is nothing more then brutally hacking away at a defenceless baby's penis, not humane, and how can it be moral to do that? but you are possibly right in the sense that it's probably more of a humane question

 

[tulc]

circumcision is nothing more then brutally hacking away at a defenceless baby's penis, not humane, and how can it be moral to do that? but you are possibly right in the sense that it's probably more of a humane question

hmmm I'd say you shouldn't have your kids get circumcised. Of course most people do it A) because they consider it more hygienic (that's why my parents had it done in the 50's, it's not as prevalent today, neither of my grandsons are circumcised) or B) it's a cultural/religious custom. Which isn't going to be abandoned simply because you disprove of it.
tulc(is drinking some great coffee this morning)

 

[Verv]

This is rather silly.

I was circumcised. I have no memory of it, nor am I aware if it was traumatizing.

My parents did it because they felt it was cleaner and healthier, and in a sense because every male relative I know has it.

Was it necessary? No.

Was it criminal to do it? No.

I do not miss my foreskin.

You can try to misrepresent what is happening in as many flowery, melodramatic words as you want, but you really would be more persuasive if you just presented information saying

"it isn't healthier or more sanitary. So it's unnecessary."

As opposed to accusing us of "brutally hacking away at a defenceless baby's penis."

Rather, a proper description would be,

"having professional doctors surgically remove the foreskin of a child with the hope that it will prevent urinary tract infections and prevent STDs."