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Literal Reading of Genesis and its So called Contradictions

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butxifxnot said:
does this mean that 'it is no longer true'? because that is what you are saying.


how do you get that?

look at my reviews of 3 critical books in the exegesis of Genesis 1-3

- review of _in the beginning_ by blocher, henri
http://www.livejournal.com/users/rmwilliamsjr/40385.html
First, i come to this book as an extended directed self study on the issues involved in the Creation-Evolution-Design debate. This book i rate as one of the 5 most significant books for a conservative reformed Christian who wants to come to reasoned and faithful conclusions in the CED debate. It is conservative which i define to be conscious and considerate of the traditions of the past, to take them seriously, not simply accepting something because it is new. It is Biblical in the way the author is very careful to allow the Scripture's Words to speak for themselves, being very careful not to read into the words his own cherished beliefs, but to allow the Word to speak to him, authoritatively and reliably. To this end he is not infected by the liberal J-P-D documentary interpretation so often evident in exegesis or interpretation.

Second, the book is significant on two levels, the first is the exegetical level, the principles of understanding that the author explores in the first few chapters. Second is the line by line study that forms the bulk of the book, roughly chpt 3 on.

The structure of the book is that of Gen 1-3 but the way he writes is interesting and worth a moment of reflection here. The chapters are more like consistent essays than the usual exegesis bound to the text. He takes a major theme in the next section of Genesis then expands it to cover this issue through the past interpreters and links to other related Scripture. It roughly follows the systematic organization of reformed covenant theology.

pg 26 has what i think is the best analysis of the human writers relationship to Scripture. "That rule follows from the humanity of Holy Scripture. In the act of inspiration God did not turn his sookesmen into robots; his Word became their word, under their signature and their responsiblility. Thus we have no right to go over their heads in order to set forth a 'divine' meaning which they would never possilby have imagined-even if those men did not grasp the whole import of what they attested God in his condescension has limited himself to their instrumentality; our interpretation must conform to the corresponding discipline."

If the church would hend this advice much of the CED debate would be solved, for we would cease to search Genesis for the equivalent of quarks, trying to query the first few chapters of the Bible and mine it for scientific truths. Rather we would, as this author does, submit to the authority of Scripture to speak to the way we do science, to the ideas that we bring to the universe as we question the master workmen's creation that we are a small part of.

The book is literary framework in its approach to Gen1-3, M. Kline being the best example of this in the english speaking world. Anyone familiar with the CED issues would be advised to read the first 2 chapters of this book simply to see a careful analysis of exegesis and the result of allowing Scripture to speak for itself rather than being pushed out of shape by young earth creationists whom would interpret the 7 days too literally. Or by scientific reconcilationists would would try to find modern science confirmed in the light appearing before the sun(ie the big bang).

The first principle he outlines carefully is to allow Scripture to speak to its first listeners, their culture, their history. His exegetical task doesn't end there but extends to teaching what these things mean to us in our place in space and time. But this application, this preaching follows critical-historical interpretation not prior to it as so many would desire.

Thanks to the author for this excellent book and i hope to read more from his pen.


limited to less than 1000 words and what the average person will skim read *grin*

now the full story-----

The first chapter "Approaching Genesis" is where Blocher outlines his method of exegesis and is where the reader forms his first and most lastly impressions of the author. The chapter is one of the best conservative exegetical statements i can remember reading. For instance,

"If we give the name 'inspiration' to that divine work by which the Bible was composed and which allows us to identify it with God's own utterance, then we must approach the opening chapters of Genesis as inspired texts, rich with the truth of God clothed with the authority of God. We must also, in order to understand them better, make use of the harmony of the Scriptures. We must take advantage of the common inspiration, bringing other passages to illumine the difficulties. That we shall do. We shall trust the method of interpreting Scripture by Scripture, according to 'the analog of faith'." pg 17

In the section, "the place of the sciences" he introduces the theme of 3 ways that bible and science can interact: concordism, antiscientism and fideism. He consistently uses the term antiscientism(this is a translated french book) for that constellation of theology-exegesis-science that we label YEC. On the concordist he writes "badly equipped and badly trained for exegesis, the concordists have more than once projected the science of their own time on to the Word of God, superimposing a different and varying authority of that which should remain supreme." pg 22


i posted the review to _the fourth day_ by H. Van Till earlier in this thread at #2

at amazon.com, review of _meaning of creation_ by Conrad Hyers
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it is one of those drop everything and read now type of books. very much appropriate to a discussion of gen 1 and 2, and the extended discussion of creation evolution, with attention to the relationship of religion and science.

his thesis is that the first two chapters of genesis are polemic against the neighboring cultures of the hebrews. simply put genesis has nothing to do with modern science at all. we impose our catagories of thought, but more importantly we impose what we want to hear onto these chapters.

just a few quotes will help:
it is quite doubtful that these texts have waited in obscurity through the millennia for their hidden meanings to be revealed by modern science. it is at least a good possibility that the "real meaning" was understood by the authors themselves. pg 3

and in response to henry morris who wrote "the creation account is clear, definite, sequential and matter-of-fact, giving evey appearance of straightforward historical narrative"

---hyers writes on pg 23 "this may indeed be the way things appear to certain modern interpreters at considerable remove from the context in which the texts were written, living in an age so dominated by scientific and historical modes of thought. It may also be the way things appear to those for whom modern science and historiography offer the criteria by which religious statements are to be understood and judged to be true or false. Yet it is by no means obvious that this represents the literary form or religious concern of the Genesis writers"

the problem of the debate over origins from genesis is like pogo said in the widely quoted cartoon "we have met the enemy and he is US".
the reason we have so much smoke over genesis is that we forgot the first rule of hermenutics. approach the text as the first readers did, with their assumptions, their world and life view. with the issues they were interested in understanding in the forefront. NOT OURS. the extension of scripture to all times and ages is done after this culture and historic criticism. not before.

therefore genesis is a religious not a scientific document addressed to the questions of that time. polytheism, and sacralization of the physical world. this is in alignment with _battle for god_ by karen armstrong and her analysis of logos and mythos. our problem is that we so depreciate mythos as being NOT TRUE that we very much miss the point of the first two chapters of Genesis....

show me how i deny the truthfulness of Genesis?
what i deny is the 19thC interpretation of Genesis as a modern historical scientific document to be read in the manner of a science or history textbook without exegesis of it's literary, cultural, historical, context.

i don't think anyone can get a grip on this CED discussion without understanding what these 3 men have to say.....(of course plus Kline's framework interpretation *grin*)

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They are not passages of the same type.

The initial creative event and all subsequent creative acts are beyond our understanding. However, God did create a Universe with physical laws. We can use these laws to reconstruct much of the history of Creation. This is what science does. I don't know how Jesus multiplied loaves, but the loaves would have followed the physical laws of Creation. They would have nourished the crowd. The fragments would probably become stale and moldy after a period of time. Just because something has a supernatural origin does not mean that its behavior is beyond our ability to study and comprehend.
 
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Part One.



First, let’s outline Genesis chapter 1.



Day 1



God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

Let there be light. Genesis 1:2

God separated the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:4

God called the light day, the dark night. Genesis 1:5

There was evening and morning – the first day. Genesis 1:5



Day 2



Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water. Genesis 1:6

God called the expanse sky. Genesis 1:8

There was evening and there was morning – the second day. Genesis 1:8



Day 3



Let water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear. Genesis 1:9

God called the dry ground land, and the gathered waters He called seas. Genesis 1:10

God said let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on land that bear fruit with seeds in it, according to their various kinds. Genesis 1:11

There was evening and morning – the third day. Genesis 1:13





Day 4



Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth. Genesis 1:14-15

God made two great lights – the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. Genesis 1:16

He also made the stars. Genesis 1:16

There was evening and morning – the fourth day. Genesis 1:19



Day 5



Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky. Genesis 1:20

God told the animals He created to be fruitful and increase in the number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth. Genesis 1:22

There was evening and morning – the fifth day. Genesis 1:23



Day 6



Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind. Genesis 1:24

Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground. Genesis 1:26

So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27

God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground – everything that has the breath of life in it – I give every green plant for food.” And it was so. Genesis 1:29-30



These are the accounts of creation. From records that have been found from the Hebrews, before the flood, they had a common practice to write a summary first then follow it with detailed information about the summary. Now, let’s look at these claims on contradiction in Genesis chapter 2
 
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Part two.

Some say that Genesis 2 implies that no other creation happen other than man and plants. They forget the first two verses of Genesis chapter 2:


Genesis 2:1-3 “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all His work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work of creating that He had done.”



Notice how God “rested” on the seventh day and He made it holy. Saturday is the day that Jews keep as the Sabbath, calling it God’s Holy Day, or God’s day of rest. This denotes a literal six day creation.



Genesis 2:4-5 “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens – and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,”



This is the beginning verse where many claim the contradiction starts. They claim here that no plant has sprung forth, which is true. They hold to this claim saying man is created then plants spring forth. One needs to notice a key sentences in the above scripture, ‘the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth,’ keep this in mind as we look at the next verse.



Genesis 2:6 “but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground –“



Notice here God waters the earth, the whole surface of the ground. Why do you think this verse is right where it is? Notice the verse directly before this verse: “for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,” God had not sent rain on the earth to grow the plants, and yet the next verse shows God watering the earth. When I plant plants I have to water them in order for them to grow, here too God waters the plants and in Genesis 1:12 the land produces vegetation.



Genesis 2:7 “the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living being.”



So far plants were created first then man. Genesis chapter 2 has yet to contradict Genesis chapter 1.



Genesis 2:8 “Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.”



Here is another verse many say is contradictory to Genesis chapter 1. These people fail to realize the part of the verse that says ‘planted a garden in the east, in Eden;’ They say this is the finishing of Genesis 2:5, but you see God planted a garden in Eden, the Garden of Eden. This plainly states it is in the Garden of Eden, not on the whole earth, so to put Genesis 2:5 and Genesis 2:8 together is a fallacy.



Genesis 2:9 “And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground – trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”



Here this verse gives even more credence that the previous verse is about the Garden of Eden. When one looks at the part of “And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground – trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food.” You need to keep reading the same verse and you will know where these trees were made, “In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”



Genesis 2:10 “A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.”



This is another claimed contradiction, people saying that God here created a river and then separated them into four headwaters. They also fail to see that it is talking about a river that watered the garden and it separated into four headwaters. No where does it say God created this to denote He created it at this time. It rather is telling of what was created.



Genesis 2:19-20 “Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.”



Here some say that this is the biggest contradiction in Genesis 1 and 2. Look at the phrasing in the very first sentence, “Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.” You notice it says the LORD God had formed, denoting past tense, not present tense. Many get caught up saying this is presence tense, when it clearly is not. A simple reading of it renders it past tense.



Genesis 2:20-22 “But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.”



I think even some claim this to be a contradiction saying woman was created with man, not after man. Let’s look at Genesis 1:27 and see if this is correct.



Genesis 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”



Notice it starts off saying God created man. Then it says God created male and female. Clearly here too man was created first, even the last part of the sentence has man coming before female. No where does it say female came first here, but it does imply that man came first.



So there you go. Genesis chapter 1 and 2 explained and still no contradictions, even when read literally. So now I challenge TE's to present Bible verses they see as contradictions after reading this. I encourage you to get out your Bible's and reread Genesis chapters 1 and 2 after having read this.

God Bless
 
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What God could do and what God does are not the same. People don't deny that God could dictate all of the books of the Bible. They deny that He did dictate them word for word. Those are two different assertions. Do not try to confuse the matter.
 
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Fragmentsofdreams, are you stating you question God? Questioning Him about how He created when it is clearly written implies you lack faith. Read my posts above, tell me where the contradictions are that you feel you have to turn to evolution for the explanation of how God created.

Genesis clearly gives the how and who. As Eric_C posted, read Hebrews 11.

Hebrews 11:1-3 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the UNIVERSE WAS FORMED AT GOD'S COMMAND, so that WHAT IS SEEN WAS NOT MADE OUT OF WHAT WAS VISIBLE."

Notice the capitalized parts and tell me if evolution stands up against the test against scripture? Now, read Romans:

Romans 1:18-23 "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles."

Did God make it plain to us? God created this universe for us, this tells us alot about God and His love for us. So again, did God make it plain to us?

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned - before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come."

How does evolution stand the test against this scripture? Sin entered the world through one man, in sin was death. TE's say Adam never lived, but did Moses live? And if he did, why does Paul say this "time of Adam to the time of Moses," giving a clear teaching that Adam did in fact live and through Adam's sin death entered the world. Evolution still stand the test against scripture?

I Corinthians 15:21-22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

How is evolution standing up in the test against scripture? Death came through a man, resurrection of the dead came through a man. If Adam never lived, then this scripture would make no sense because Christ lived. Adam had to have lived for Christ to live here among us. Through Adam death came, through Christ life. Adam had to have been a real man because of his original sin, death came into the world through sin, because of his original sin Christ came to live in our world to conquer death. To dispute the existence of Adam and Adam's fall is to dispute Christ and His reason for giving of salvation. For if Adam never fell, then when did sin enter the world and by whom? If it was not by man then why did Christ come to us as a man? How is evolution standing now against the test of scripture?

God Bless
 
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Where in any of the five books of Moses does he ever use day to mean ages? He doesn't which lends more evidence that he would not in Genesis chapter 1. I challenge TE's to present Bible verses that lend support for one to read Genesis 1 & 2 allegorically. There has been presented many verses that shows it should be read literally. I have presented on this board how Genesis 1 & 2 should and can be read literally, without contradictions. Can TE's prove otherwise with Bible verses. I am not asking for evolution verses, but verses that lend support for reading Genesis 1 & 2 allegorically. Present the verses in context here.


If there are no verses that lend support to read Genesis 1 & 2 allegorically and there are verses that lend support to read it literally, why would one hold desperately to this belief?

First and foremost present the verses.

God Bless
 
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there are entire books dedicated to this question.
i posted my reviews of three, how can you ask for an answer to this question when even book length treatments are inadequate.

for more see:
Kingdom Prologue: Genesis Foundations for a Covenantal Worldview
by Meredith G. Kline

The Structure of Biblical Authority
by Meredith G. Kline

or the webpages:
http://www.opc.org/OS/html/V9/1c.html
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1998/PSCF12-98Irons.html
http://www.scccs.org/scccs/word/PenpointArticle.asp?id=10

any of which do a far better job than i can.

btw, the issue is not a simply dichomoty between either allegory or literal. for framework is a literary structure genre interpretation, which treats Genesis 1 as literal but not historical.

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I can't spend all evening replying to one post, so I will just pick one thing and go from there Good day friend, you haven't been answering my last couple of posts, so I don't know if you're ignoring me or too busy writing the other posts, but allow me to answer 1 to one point here (if that's ok with you--if not, I'll edit and delete )
The biggest problem that I have with your interpretation here is that is doesn't seem TO ME to be consistent with your overall veiw of scripture or even your overall view of Creation. With a literal reading of this passage, to me again, it seems that the only way you can make it line up and support your interpretation is to read between the lines. God said he watered the earth, so it must have been that he created plants here--but in reality, it doesn't say that.
Now mind you, I don't mind you interpreting that way--TE's do some of that too, as you have so rightly pointed out, but again, to me, it seems inconsistent with your own beliefs that the scripture is plain (needing no interpretation) and that it is God inspired, inerrant, infallible, literal description of what happened. Certainly, I would think you would agree with me on this one--if God had inspired Moses to write word for word what happened, surely the almighty, whom I believe to be omniscient, would have realized leaving out the detail you added would cause problems in our day and age.
God bless as usual--I compliment you on your faith--you are a strong supporter of your beliefs--and I believe that you are doing everything in your power to defend what you believe to be truth as God has dictated it--I pray you will be rewarded mightily for it!
 
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I am not speaking for Fragmentsofdreams, who can answer these when he returns, but may I take a stab at a couple?
GodSaves said:
Fragmentsofdreams, are you stating you question God? Questioning Him about how He created when it is clearly written implies you lack faith.
not nice, friend, my faith is as strong as yours
 
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TE doesn't aruge against the bolded letters of the scripture. I believe God commanded and the universe came into being. I believe that He did it ex-nhilio, out of nothing, same as you
 
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notice it says what is known about God is plain and since creation His invisible qualities eg: eternal power and divine nature--clearly seen, understood from what has been made--that is from creation itself.
I see no conflict. I look at creation, I look at Genesis 1 and 2 and I find it very plain what is known about God--I clearly see his eternal power and divine nature from what has been made--from creation itself.
 
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sin is death--spiritual death, not physical--I personally have never said Adam never lived, so the rest is not my question to answer, I suppose, so yes, if I needed to find scriptural test to apply to evolution, I'm still fine with it
 
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again, death here is not physical, but spiritual--And again, I have no problem with believing Adam actually did live, actually did sin, and actually did fall, actually did get thrown out of the garden, etc. But, if I didn't, I would still beleive that Adam represented created man, so the reason for Christ's death is still valid
Despite your trying again and again to tell me and others that we really don't believe--WE REALLY DO...Christ is still our savior
 
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I challenge you to present one paragraph from DArwin's books, or even his notes that supports creationism--I'm not asking for Bible verses, but actual words from Darwin that lend support for reading Genesis as litaral, before you answer anything else--give me that info

You see, Godsaves--I don't believe Darwin supports Genesis 1 and 2. I don't believe the Bible supports evolution. I do belive that neither of them contradict the other. It's all in the interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2. I will promise you this--If I really believed that theistic evolution meant that I could not believe the Bible--evolution would be out of here, but I don't see the conflict, nor do I believe that it is fruitfull to be looking for Bible verses to support evolution or air conditioning, or the pasteurization of milk. If I don't see the conflict and I tell you that--why do you keep insisting that I really do see a conflict and just won't admit it
 
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Hello herev. I did not answer your posts because we would keep going in circles.
Let me address your point. Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 are one story. Chapter 2 is a more detailed account of certain parts of creation.

In Genesis 1:11 God created vegetation and it came into being.
Genesis 2:4-5 “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens – and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,”

You see in the second sentence that no vegetation had yet sprung up. You see why, 'for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth...' What is the next verse?

Genesis 2:6 “but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground –“

When you have plants what do you do to help them grow? You water them correct? This isn't a lie, right? And what did God do? He watered the earth. Why did He water the earth? The sentence before 2:6 says why. Vegetation had yet to spring forth because it had not rained on them. Could we also say the vegetation had not been watered? Is rain water? Of course, so we can safely say God had not watered the vegetation when it says God had not sent rain for the vegetation to spring forth.

Genesis 1:11, is God commanding it to happen and it happened. Genesis 2:4-6 is a more detailed account of it happening. I never read between the lines, I let scripture interpret scripture, instead of me interpreting to mean whatever the saying of the current day is. Such as evolution. I and many others use scriptures to understand scriptures, it is the act of letting the Bible interpret itself. We know we are flawed, so we look to the Bible to be our explanation of itself. Because we know we are flawed in our thinking we have to test everything that has to do with Biblical teachings against scripture. So as I posted above, I have presented a small test for evolution against scripture.

Can you do the same? Can you find evolution to be in harmony with everything in the Bible? Can you present Bible verses that denote one is to read Genesis 1 and 2 allegorically?

RMWilliamsll, why do you present other books as your evidence. I asked for TE's to go to the Bible and present verses that lend support to read Genesis 1 and 2 allegorically. Genesis' creation is our history. It is the history of how our universe and mankind was created. So it is history and creation. How can you separate the two?

Please present Bible verses, not other books, but Bible verses for support to read Genesis 1 and 2 allegorically. I have present verses that lend support to read it literally. And remember to take Genesis 1 and 2 allegorically, you are also enter in having to explain yourself the reason why Christ came in the form of a man, and why it is said many times in the Bible as with Adam came death, with Christ comes life. Because of Adam, Christ came. If you believe in evolution then Adam is just a figurative man, and you will now have to come up with your own explanation for the reason of Christ instead of going exactly with the Bible's reason.

Present your verses TE's.

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Then you don't believe Paul when he said test everything against scripture. And for you to make the statement to ask me to find in Darwin's books for evidence of taking Genesis literally is absolutely silly. Why, oh why would I look to a pagan man to understand God and His creation? Sigh. I cannot believe you said this.

Evolution, in part, is to explain how we came into existence without a divine being. And you mix this with God's Word. You won't present scripture to give support for reading Genesis 1 and 2 allegorically because you cannot. You can however present verses that lend support to read Genesis 1 and 2 literally. And yet you and many others disagree with those scriptures and believe in something that the Bible lends no support for. And I ask for support because evolution is to take the place of creation which is written about in the Bible. So therefore I can ask for Biblical evidence or support for this belief.

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