Literal 6 days 6000 years ago?

[Sockroteez]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Francis Collins: The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief

Kenneth R. Miller: Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution

 

[Simon_Templar]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

I think it could be argued that society is always in that stage to some degree. Its just different institutions doing the persecuting and establishing the orthodoxy.

In the modern world the Church doesn't establish society's orthodoxy any more, "science" and the amorphous collective known as "the experts" do. They are just as willing to persecture and ridicule anyone who dares to question their orthodoxy as the Church ever was.

 

[juvenissun]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I count that as a progress. The key is not to stop.

Keep reading the science for another 10 years. I believe you will come back and become a stronger YEC.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

The best book I've read so far to make the case for old-earth day-age creationism is 'A matter of days' by Hugh Ross. Also on my reading list is 'creation and evolution' by Alan Hayward. I think what's going on today is a reaction by some religious against the attack against the Bible from evolution and geology, from the fundamentalist perspective. It's a strictly literal interpretation of the Genesis. I think it's come about over mainly the 20th century. I don't think it's helpful, as the argument for a 6000 year literal 6 days creation is usually laughed out of court nowadays. I've heard also that in some churches, you have to accept the young-earth creationism to become a pastor. The 6000 years can be shown to be doubtful, because it doesn't take into account that generations can be left out of the geneology, it was recorded for religious purposes, not to estimate the age of the earth. A rigid literal interpretation of Genesis 1, can result in believing that the earth was created before the universe. Young earthism seems to be in the main in the protestant churches, and so is a sort of fundamentalism, to the extent that nothing much is seen as symbolic or allegorical. 6000 year creation isn't supported by the fossil record, you'll never dig up a rabbit and a dinosaur fossil in the same layer, it's always reliable that certain fossil groups are found in specific layers.
also you might want to read 'The Biblical Flood' by Davis A. Young, a case study of the church's reponse to extrabiblical evidence. This explains (as well as many other things) how geology was founded by scientists who were in the 19th century, in the main Christians, and it's not a conspiracy.
And 'Who was Adam? by Fazale Rana, which is a creation approach to human origins, without being young-earth. these books are from the non-evolutionary stand-point, in the main, and they are books that I've read recently to try and get to the truth about creation, the flood, etc. if such a thing be possible.
A lot of semi or non- Christians are very hostile to creationism, because they assume that we're all young-earth creationists, where in fact there are many differing views, including evolutionary-creationism.

 

[Molal]

Hi sockroteez.

It's good to have you hanging out here! I am a christian, I attend a church of christ and I certainly know that the theory of evolution is true and that the earth is 4.6 Gya old.

The problem with literalists is that they conflate biblical literalism with biblical inerrancy. This is simply not the case. In addition, the Bible is not a book of science, it is a book of theology.

So, science, evolution, geology, biology, physics, etc. is compatible with the bible - the incompatibility arrives when you try to enforce a biblical interpretation - such as literalism.

 

[gluadys]

Hi, sokrateez and welcomed to Origins Theology.

In addition to the many good references to science you have been given, you might like to look at some non-literal ways to interpret Genesis.

A good start is the Framework Interpretation.

http://www.upper-register.com/papers/framework_interpretation.html

This interpretation is actually consistent with several views on creation, as it focuses on the story as literature, not as history. So any interpretation of history can be understood as compatible with the literary depiction of creation.

Also pertinent is this essay on evolutionary creationism.
http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/3EvoCr.htm

 

[Mallon]

Also pertinent is this essay on evolutionary creationism.
http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/3EvoCr.htm

I just saw Denis Lamoureux, the author of this article, give a workshop this past weekend. The guy knows what he's talking about. He's got a 500-page book in press due out in the next month or two. It's advertised on his website.

 

[headhoncho]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

Hi Sockroteez, 6000 years or 6 days is The Creation through
the Word, because 6000 years The Word was introduced to Adam,
in Science, It is known as FOXP2 gene, or ability to talk.
No other Species do not have ability to talk and use words.
There are two identical Humans, one that is descendant of Eve,
Mother of all Living, Genesis 3:20, and Virus/Primate descendant, who have crossed with Eve's descendants, Genesis 6:2
4 days to Jesus, and 2 days after Jesus, and here we are, at the arrival
of 7th day, or "The Day of The Lord", when life as we know It, will end, and New Existence, on New Earth, will began.
No procreation, no death, no memory, just love, peace, and knowledge.

 

[Mallon]

No other Species do not have ability to talk and use words.

Maybe not human words, no. But other species are certainly able to communicate.

I'm not sure I follow your line of thought.

 

[headhoncho]

Maybe not human words, no. But other species are certainly able to communicate.

I'm not sure I follow your line of thought.

You do not understand why is Man the superior species on this Planet?
Animals communicate through fear, and It is called instinct.
But, let me ask you this, what is difference between a Chimp that Dies,
and a Primate descendant "sinner", that dies ?
My line of thought is, there are apes, and there are descendants of Eve,
Genesis 6:2, Ape can't get saved from second death, Revelation 20:6
You didn't ask me specific question, so I'm not sure, what you weren't sure about.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Parrots -- tho' perhaps not to communicate the meaning of those words.

 

[Mikeb85]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

I can't provide any book recommendations, just give a little piece of advice.

By trying to fit creation into a box (created in 6 days 6000 years ago) into which it can't fit, us Christians look dumb to the rest of the world. Forget fossil records, let's just look at recorded human history. By looking at Mesopotamian and Egyptian records, uninterrupted civilisation, we know that the 'Biblical' (ie. those that most YEC advocates utilize) dates for the flood and creation are off.

Instead of trying to prove such a narrow timeline of events, it's more important to look at the human record. Every civilisation has a creation myth. There are MANY similarities. Coincidences aren't accidental...

As for Genesis, we need to remember that theres alot of symbolic language in there. I do believe that it's the true story of creation, but that some of the meaning has been lost to time... Ancient cultures definitely had a different way of describing events, alot of analogy in the language, which is lost to us today.

 

[headhoncho]

I can't provide any book recommendations, just give a little piece of advice.

By trying to fit creation into a box (created in 6 days 6000 years ago) into which it can't fit, us Christians look dumb to the rest of the world. Forget fossil records, let's just look at recorded human history. By looking at Mesopotamian and Egyptian records, uninterrupted civilisation, we know that the 'Biblical' (ie. those that most YEC advocates utilize) dates for the flood and creation are off.

Instead of trying to prove such a narrow timeline of events, it's more important to look at the human record. Every civilisation has a creation myth. There are MANY similarities. Coincidences aren't accidental...

As for Genesis, we need to remember that theres alot of symbolic language in there. I do believe that it's the true story of creation, but that some of the meaning has been lost to time... Ancient cultures definitely had a different way of describing events, alot of analogy in the language, which is lost to us today.

Mike, my dude, It is exactly 6000 years from The Word/Christ
introduction to Adam, to here and now.
If you want, try to Google origins or word/Language, or whathaveyou, and see what you'll come up with.
Those "6000years" are only a small segment of so called
"6 days" of the entire Creation of Earth, which is
Genesis 1:1 - Genesis 2:3

 

[juvenissun]

of 7th day, or "The Day of The Lord", when life as we know It, will end, and New Existence, on New Earth, will began.
No procreation, no death, no memory, just love, peace, and knowledge.
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Why do you say "no memory"? Do I still know who I am or who I was? If no memory, then where does the "knowledge" come from?

 

[ClearSky]

Mike, my dude, It is exactly 6000 years from The Word/Christ
introduction to Adam, to here and now.
If you want, try to Google origins or word/Language, or whathaveyou, and see what you'll come up with.
Those "6000years" are only a small segment of so called
"6 days" of the entire Creation of Earth, which is
Genesis 1:1 - Genesis 2:3

It is not 6000 years but probably about 9000 years. Ussher erred when he calculated the 6000 years. He did not consider that "son" in the biblical genealogies in fact meant "descendant". It can't be 6000 years because the Sumer civilization already existed for 1300 years at that time.

God created the earth about 9000 years ago, but gave it the apparent age of 4.6 billion years.

 

[headhoncho]

Why do you say "no memory"? Do I still know who I am or who I was? If no memory, then where does the "knowledge" come from?

Here is the Prophecy ;
" Behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind. "
You only believe that you are "juvenissun", because that is just
one of the names, the Lord gave It to you.
You only believe that you have biological Parents, because term
"biological parents" is something you have memorized along the way. everything that is in your memory is a Lie/Belief.
Your knowledge is different ball game, knowledge is energy that
creates experience, you can't have experience based upon belief.
You do not need memory, to have knowledge of your existence, you
do not need memory to feel Love, that I'm giving you.
Love is energy that creates existence of everything, and knowledge
is only one of the energies, converted from Love.
Physically you are your Father (His sperm cell, that have grown)
but, when you resurrect in Christ, because you will understand what am I telling you/explaining to you, to be John 12:25, and than
your body (Lease) will become yours, throughout eternity,
Revelation 21:3,7
As we speak, your mind is not ready to accept the truth, how
man's flesh and blood can stop aging, and become eternal/immortal,
as Jesus explained through Parable (because every word of His
was a Parable, Psalm 78:2), Mark 16:17-18 " And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

By resurrection in Christ, John 6:44, your DNA, which is who you are, will rejuvenate, reverse aging, you will go, if you want to, to a
stage where you are a toddler, I mean, you will play with your appearance, that can't go outside of your DNA, for eternity.
But you will never know who have created you, and your eternity.
Revelation 19:12, you will see Him, Revelation 1:7, you will be revealed His Name, Matthew 11:27, so, your Salvation is confirmed,
Joel 2:32, but, you will forget that Name, as soon as you become
Immortal, Isaiah 65:17, because you can't know the Face of the Lord,
and live, Exodus 33:20

 

[headhoncho]

It is not 6000 years but probably about 9000 years. Ussher erred when he calculated the 6000 years. He did not consider that "son" in the biblical genealogies in fact meant "descendant". It can't be 6000 years because the Sumer civilization already existed for 1300 years at that time.

God created the earth about 9000 years ago, but gave it the apparent age of 4.6 billion years.

In that case, Tanakh is a Lie, because signs that explain the Day of The Lord days, are all over, here and now, not in 3000 years.
4000 years from mortality of Adam to Jesus Christ, and than, Christ was dead for two days (two thousand years) and resurrected, on the third day, as Hosea 6:2 prophesied. the Lord restores us in Christ, after two days/2000 years.
there is slight miscalculation with birth of Jesus, because He was
born in 6BC, in days of Herod, and Three wise Man were following
Jupiter, not a Star.
All of Science is an utter and unsung Deception.
"Time" is extremely ridiculous concept, and "Relativity theory"
exists as theory, only because It's creator was an Ashkenazi Jew.
Just as No One cares that Man who invented 20th Century, was
a Serbian under the name of Nikola Tesla.

Kingdom of Serbia from Jewpiter

 

[Molal]

.....All of Science is an utter and unsung Deception.
"Time" is extremely ridiculous concept, and "Relativity theory"
exists as theory, only because It's creator was an Ashkenazi Jew.
Just as No One cares that Man who invented 20th Century, was
a Serbian under the name of Nikola Tesla.

Kingdom of Serbia from Jewpiter

I am very sorry, but that makes little sense. Can you expound upon your assertions? Particularly these:

All of Science is an utter and unsung Deception.

and

"Time" is extremely ridiculous concept, and "Relativity theory"

I'll have more questions, once you elaborate.

 

[cleminson]

For about 10 years I basically believed in the literal 6 days, along with the young earth teaching... but a year or so of looking at science and such is strongly showing otherwise.

I just wonder if multitudes of Christians are basically at a stage like the church was at when Galileo was persecuted, and the church held to the geocentric model of the universe... which we now know was 100% false...

also, any recommendations for a solid Christian authored book(s) on the topic?

Read the thread "My Genesis Enigma", as an ex YE creationist it will help you see how I got passed you stage to become a fundementalist OE creationist TE.