life is a drop in the bucket, so to god, what is its purpose

[deshadow]

it seems simply to weed out those who are with him or against him.

we live on earth

earth ad everything it is possible to learn or percieve while on earth is the evidence we are presented with.

at one point in time we have to decide if we beleive in what the followers of christianity and jesus are saying is true.

if we make the right choice before we die, we exist for eternity in (from new international bible, paraphrased): "the joy of heaven is beyond our understanding or comprehension, but the descriptions in this passage make it clear that it is not something that humans wuld want to miss" (remember this was paraphrased form a NIV study version, passage explained at the bottom of page)


for each human, life is a drop in the bucket, and its up to a mystery (fate? destiny? god?) who sees and knows what, and makes the right choice.

they say gods enemy is satan. and he is on the prowl.

well he has done a great job.

no telling ow much he controls on earht, there is a good bet that he managed to plant dinosaur bones that we would carbon date to being very very old, he also gave the buddists, eggyptians and hindus knowledge that allows them to see beyond a world of human perception and human reality, a world that sounds more like what quantom mechanics is talking about. physics must obviously be controlled by the devil too.

so why is god doing this whole experiment

i guess thats one of the mysteries that lets faithful christians keep their sense of "whimsy and wonder"

 

[rocklife]

those are some interesting thoughts. I don't know what you are referring to about the hindus and egyptians, they worshipped statues and created things, and they have become pretty powerless nowadays.

I have faith one day we will know all answers, the bible gives hope of that with God.

"Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." 1 Corinthians 13:12-13

 

[EmbracingHim]

it seems simply to weed out those who are with him or against him.

we live on earth

earth ad everything it is possible to learn or percieve while on earth is the evidence we are presented with.

at one point in time we have to decide if we beleive in what the followers of christianity and jesus are saying is true.

if we make the right choice before we die, we exist for eternity in (from new international bible, paraphrased): "the joy of heaven is beyond our understanding or comprehension, but the descriptions in this passage make it clear that it is not something that humans wuld want to miss" (remember this was paraphrased form a NIV study version, passage explained at the bottom of page)


for each human, life is a drop in the bucket, and its up to a mystery (fate? destiny? god?) who sees and knows what, and makes the right choice.

they say gods enemy is satan. and he is on the prowl.

well he has done a great job.

no telling ow much he controls on earht, there is a good bet that he managed to plant dinosaur bones that we would carbon date to being very very old, he also gave the buddists, eggyptians and hindus knowledge that allows them to see beyond a world of human perception and human reality, a world that sounds more like what quantom mechanics is talking about. physics must obviously be controlled by the devil too.

so why is god doing this whole experiment

i guess thats one of the mysteries that lets faithful christians keep their sense of "whimsy and wonder"

But there is 'love.'

1 John 4:8 states that God is love. In understanding 'true' love and our inherited desire for love we see no 'drop in the bucket' present.

We are created in His image. I know I have always marveled at robot technology and the advances in creating 'computer bots' (just take a look at Chrisbot here on christian forums and marvel at the 'work' that went into that program)! God created a far more advanced creation than man has ever been able to. Thinking, breathing humans that are able to love or not love freely. Creations with free will.

We are wonderous creations -- no matter what choices me make in life. God allows the sun and rain to fall on 'all' alike.

Love though does not fail, like humans in their choices. It is love that builds faith and in the end that we are judged upon (Christ said this is the greatest commandment that we love God with our whole heart and one another).

While this should be easy...the problem with humans (unlike robots) is that we assess and analyze everything and sometimes this can interfer with our ability to 'simply love.' **sigh.

Prayers that you might find some benefit in these words.

 

[deshadow]

But there is 'love.'

1 John 4:8 states that God is love. In understanding 'true' love and our inherited desire for love we see no 'drop in the bucket' present.

We are created in His image. I know I have always marveled at robot technology and the advances in creating 'computer bots' (just take a look at Chrisbot here on christian forums and marvel at the 'work' that went into that program)! God created a far more advanced creation than man has ever been able to. Thinking, breathing humans that are able to love or not love freely. Creations with free will.

We are wonderous creations -- no matter what choices me make in life. God allows the sun and rain to fall on 'all' alike.

Love though does not fail, like humans in their choices. It is love that builds faith and in the end that we are judged upon (Christ said this is the greatest commandment that we love God with our whole heart and one another).

While this should be easy...the problem with humans (unlike robots) is that we assess and analyze everything and sometimes this can interfer with our ability to 'simply love.' **sigh.

Prayers that you might find some benefit in these words.

thanks, those are beautiful words.

 

[deshadow]

But there is 'love.'

1 John 4:8 states that God is love. In understanding 'true' love and our inherited desire for love we see no 'drop in the bucket' present.

We are created in His image. I know I have always marveled at robot technology and the advances in creating 'computer bots' (just take a look at Chrisbot here on christian forums and marvel at the 'work' that went into that program)! God created a far more advanced creation than man has ever been able to. Thinking, breathing humans that are able to love or not love freely. Creations with free will.

We are wonderous creations -- no matter what choices me make in life. God allows the sun and rain to fall on 'all' alike.

Love though does not fail, like humans in their choices. It is love that builds faith and in the end that we are judged upon (Christ said this is the greatest commandment that we love God with our whole heart and one another).

While this should be easy...the problem with humans (unlike robots) is that we assess and analyze everything and sometimes this can interfer with our ability to 'simply love.' **sigh.

Prayers that you might find some benefit in these words.

i thought we dont have the ability to simply love though.

i work on simply loving as much as i ca. every momet is an opportuity to act, and its best to act out of love tan aytihng else if you ask me.

 

[BelindaP]

We do have the ability to love, just not perfectly.

 

[BelindaP]

You've been hanging around the YEC people too long. Most Christians don't believe that Satan planted the dinosaur bones to confuse us. Most believe that the dinosaurs actually existed, millions of years ago.

 

[deshadow]

We do have the ability to love, just not perfectly.

perfect is an abstract idea. god system certainly isnt perfect by our standards. projecting perfection anto whatever god does also doesnt work by or standards. by our standards his plan is imperfect.

how can his love be perfect. the abstract idea of perfect love is limited by the defined personality/egotitic/failing and at the same time succeeding (satan caused us to rebel, but somehow its all in his plan) god in the bible

 

[BelindaP]

The Bible does say that God's ways are foolishness to man.

 

[deshadow]

The Bible does say that God's ways are foolishness to man.

and thats a perfect defense to make us not question

 

[deshadow]

its too bad i dont live in old testament times. id just meet god on some biway, spot him, and start wresstling with him until he blessed me

 

[rocklife]

hindus and egyptians didnt worship statues, they had a complex system of meditating, rituals to feel the presence of the divine (similar to holy communion or church hymns) mind development, and ideas about the universe and aspectts of humanity.

hindus are far from powerless

their spiritual world view encourages mental advancement. christianity frowns upon questioning



india or china or both will take over the us soon. they own lots of it already, business, land. their best and brightest are ready willing and able... most higer level math courses and physics courses and graduate and phd programs at top program universities have more indians and asians tha americans.


faith that after death stuff will be explained seems to be te only option. thats a precarious wager cosidering the vwery likely scenario that we all just die.

the fact that we all are subjected to different portions and segments of this one reality leads us to another obvious, provable conclusion, we are all in this together.

why do you guys enjoy the idea of a god who has presented us with a confusing reality, who basically "hopes we make the right thought beleif pattern on earht" so tat we might be with him forever instead of "choose our own damnation"

why the gleeful parade behind the idea vehicle of "free will" : the ability to choose our own destruction after inconclusive evidence on earth? thats a screwed up choice.

so god created this world and its people to be in eternal bliss forever. some of his creation angels rebeled, (where did they get the thought to rebel, did god create that thought? did he give his creation the ability to think that tohught?) rebellious creation leader satan tempts man in the garden. and we now are all worthy to be not only destroyed, but kept in a state of unlimited palpable eternal painful destruction forever? and for some reason we are alive, brought into this hopeles fallen world, without a clue, and we are expected to get on the right side of some grand game between a creator and his rebellious angels? and we have to make a choice before we die? what is the purpose of this life? simply to weed out the ones who dont think that this idea of reality makes any sense? why are our minds so powerful? why doesnt this world view make any sense? where are we pulling psychology history, science and anthropology studies of human society development from? from
our own behind? or from the behind of satan?


seriously, if its all about the kingdom of heaven and the restoration to perfection, why the long drawn out agony of life? why the millions who think they are using their brain and minds and hearts just fine? why the lack of any go ahead from god? this is a nightmare reality! are we just accepting it becuase "too bad, this is our dimension and we are stuck with it"

god must not be the god of parallel universes or of alternate realities, ideas like that seem far too complex for this wacky god who thinks and gets jealous and has this weird way of showing love

many preachers even try to impress on us how drastic gods love is. WE DESERVE HELL the preacher screams. dont you see how much god loves us? even tohugh we deserve hell he i still giving us a chance! this is what some preachers are telling their congregations.... they ask "who are we?" why should we even get heaven? why should we not get hell? he has givin us this wonderful gift of free will.


this kind of stuff uses word associations, it creates scenarios in which ideas are kicked around that wouldnt fly in other parts of osciety where the same words and ideas are used.

if that korean guy or saddam was raising koreans or iraqs on an island covered with a bubble like in the truman show and was appearing in the skiy every now and then getting his people to beleive sometihng similar to christianity, and they needed to join him or be tortured after death, and lets say he somehow managed to torture their souls after death forever... even if they chose not to beleive in his crazy plan. we would take him the heck out!!!

This forum is not a Discussion/Debate Forum. Your preaching to us is not the intention of this forum.

I disagree with your views of Hinduism and Egyptians. I have heard from ex-Hindus and ex-Muslims, they have a different testimony than you share. I also know some who do worship things that give them a bit of power. It isn't much though, compared to God.

Please stop preaching to us. If you don't like the answers we are sharing, go to the Discussion Forums to debate, this is not the appropriate forum.

 

[ZACTAK]

This thread will remain closed.

If there are any questions, please feel free to PM me.

God bless.
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