LGBT

[EddieStormX]

Authority has been given to them. They are the accusers. So do not judge, mock or advice them, but befriend with them and humble yourself.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello @EddieStormX, question, when you say that "authority has been given to them", what do you mean? (authority over who and/or over what, and from whom was this "authority" given?)

The Bible tells us that we are to be God's witnesses, telling people about Him and preaching the Good News to everyone, everywhere (this includes those who are part of the LGBTQ+ community, of course) .. e.g. Mark 16:15-16; Acts 1:8, speaking the truth to them, in love .. e.g. Ephesians 4:15.

If we don't at least try to do so (if we don't tell people what God's truth really is, no matter who they are and/or what "authority" they may have), who will?

God bless you!!

--David

 

[EddieStormX]

You know who has authority over everything in heaven & on earth, but yet you ask.
If you're willing to share good news then do so. No one is stopping you

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You know who has authority over everything in heaven & on earth, but yet you ask.
If you're willing to share good news then do so. No one is stopping you

God has the authority over heaven and earth, but allows humans living in the fallen
state to have free will.

This means, humans are free to commit evils without God stopping them, because
love demands allowing free will.

The LGBT groups have become political to the point that many homosexuals
are distancing them from them, as they've gotten onto the slippery slope changing
laws and common sense in society.

Doctors are now forbidden by law from treating a person who self-diagnoses themselves by thinking they were nonbinary, or born of the wrong gender.
Doctors must by law, provide drug and surgery therapies to such people without
question. President Biden signed into law, mandating that doctors provide transitional
treatment to such patients.

 

[St_Worm2]

You know who has authority over everything in heaven & on earth, but yet you ask. If you're willing to share good news then do so. No one is stopping you

Hello Eddie, Satan is allowed a certain amount of freedom from God to do all of the evil that he does in this world, and he has, at times, been given very specific permission from God to do certain things (the Garden, Job, etc.).

He is, indeed, a powerful adversary, but neither he, nor those who follow him (rather than God) are more powerful than the One who dwells in us/in believers .. e.g. 1 John 4:4, nor have they ever been given some kind of "authority" over us by God.

While it is true that those in this world are under the power of the evil one, we are not

2 Corinthians 4
3 Even if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,
4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Ephesians 2
1 You were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

1 John 4
4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

1 John 5
19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
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God bless you!!

--David

Ephesians 6
12 Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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[EddieStormX]

If we judge them, they will accuse us.
If we mock them, they will accuse us
Can we advice them without judging and mocking?

 

[St_Worm2]

Can we advice them without judging and mocking?

Of course, we know Jesus, which means that we know that which they so desperately need to hear, understand and respond positively to (the Gospel), just like we once did prior to coming to saving faith in Him.

We may or may not be the ones who finally lead them all the way to Him (and sadly, they may never come to believe in Him), but we can certainly choose to be the Lord's obedient/loving witnesses and do whatever we can to point them towards Him (helping them to understand why they are in such need of Him as their Savior, if they will allow us to do so), yes?

As I said above, if 'we' do not, who will?

God bless you!!

--David

 

[WintersDust]

Hello @EddieStormX, question, when you say that "authority has been given to them", what do you mean? (authority over who and/or over what, and from whom was this "authority" given?)

The Bible tells us that we are to be God's witnesses, telling people about Him and preaching the Good News to everyone, everywhere (this includes those who are part of the LGBTQ+ community, of course) .. e.g. Mark 16:15-16; Acts 1:8, speaking the truth to them, in love .. e.g. Ephesians 4:15.

If we don't at least try to do so (if we don't tell people what God's truth really is, no matter who they are and/or what "authority" they may have), who will?

God bless you!!

--David

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I think the OP is a variation of Luke 10.

They're telling us LGBTQ are evil spirits. And all authority over them has been given by Jesus Christ.

 

[St_Worm2]

I think the OP is a variation of Luke 10.
They're telling us LGBTQ are evil spirits. And all authority over them has been given by Jesus Christ.

Hello WintersDust, that's not how I read it, but I could be wrong. Perhaps Eddie (@EddieStormX) could help us out with this?

Thanks (to you both)

God bless you!! (Numbers 6:24-26)

--David

 

[WintersDust]

Hello WintersDust, that's not how I read it, but I could be wrong. Perhaps Eddie (@EddieStormX) could help us out with this?

Thanks (to you both)

God bless you!! (Numbers 6:24-26)

--David

Yes, my understanding could be wrong. Stranger things have happened.

 

[River__raine]

Authority has been given to them. They are the accusers. So do not judge, mock or advice them, but befriend with them and humble yourself.

I agree! Whilst authority has not quite been given the LGBTQ+ community it is becoming more accepted in modern society, we mean no harm! Instead of hating on people for being who they are we should love and accept one another and respect everyone.

 

[ozso]

I agree! Whilst authority has not quite been given the LGBTQ+ community it is becoming more accepted in modern society, we mean no harm! Instead of hating on people for being who they are we should love and accept one another and respect everyone.

Everyone no matter what?

 

[ozso]

The reasoning of the world is that it's perfectly healthy and normal for people to have a "sex life". To go to a bar or night club, or though internet dating services, to have sexual intercourse with multiple people. God however is against that. The Bible tells us that God intended sexual intercourse to be between a husband and wife. Period, end of story.

 

[River__raine]

Why should you hate on someone for who they love? The bible says that you should love thy neighbour as you love thyself, (this is not the direct quote I cannot recall it word for word) if somebody has a intercourse or experiences attraction to someone of the same gender why should you deny their love and affection for the other person? After all they are not damaging anyone, they are being themselves and this cannot be changed. I grew up in a Christian/Catholic household and went to a Christian church and my parents were not homophobic and still continued to have strong faith, proving Christian’s and homosexuality can live together in harmony. There are many different forms of attraction, sexual and romantic and depending on who you ask there are many different potential genders and the bible says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27) a true Christian would say God does not make garbage and he meant to create the LGBTQ+ community and he loves them and he wants everyone else to love them equally so regardless you should respect who they are and whoever they love.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Why should you hate on someone for who they love? The bible says that you should love thy neighbour as you love thyself, (this is not the direct quote I cannot recall it word for word) if somebody has a intercourse or experiences attraction to someone of the same gender why should you deny their love and affection for the other person? After all they are not damaging anyone, they are being themselves and this cannot be changed. I grew up in a Christian/Catholic household and went to a Christian church and my parents were not homophobic and still continued to have strong faith, proving Christian’s and homosexuality can live together in harmony. There are many different forms of attraction, sexual and romantic and depending on who you ask there are many different potential genders and the bible says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27) a true Christian would say God does not make garbage and he meant to create the LGBTQ+ community and he loves them and he wants everyone else to love them equally so regardless you should respect who they are and whoever they love.

When we disagree with the lifestyle, it's called hate by the leftists. It's not hatred of the person but of the sin.

You say it doesn't hurt anyone? Fine, then perhaps LGBTQ activists will stop suing institutions we belong to
and making laws that force their ideology onto the rest of society. If I oppose this ideology, it doesn't mean
I hate such people, but refuse to accept the immorality they are trying to force onto society as being moral
according to God's laws.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Why should you hate on someone for who they love? The bible says that you should love thy neighbour as you love thyself, (this is not the direct quote I cannot recall it word for word) if somebody has a intercourse or experiences attraction to someone of the same gender why should you deny their love and affection for the other person? After all they are not damaging anyone, they are being themselves and this cannot be changed. I grew up in a Christian/Catholic household and went to a Christian church and my parents were not homophobic and still continued to have strong faith, proving Christian’s and homosexuality can live together in harmony. There are many different forms of attraction, sexual and romantic and depending on who you ask there are many different potential genders and the bible says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:27) a true Christian would say God does not make garbage and he meant to create the LGBTQ+ community and he loves them and he wants everyone else to love them equally so regardless you should respect who they are and whoever they love.

So we as Christians should accept polygamy, polyamory, maybe incest or even pedophilia? If the standard is that our natural attraction is ordained by God and that these are good, then sky's the limit. Why have marriage then? Since attraction can be acted on outside of marriage, it must be good and ordained by God.

This is lazy progressive argumentation.

 

[River__raine]

So we as Christians should accept polygamy, polyamory, maybe incest or even pedophilia? If the standard is that our natural attraction is ordained by God and that these are good, then sky's the limit. Why have marriage then? Since attraction can be acted on outside of marriage, it must be good and ordained by God.

This is lazy progressive argumentation.

Incest and pedophilia are very different to homosexuality and the argument I am making, I am saying you may love someone regardless of gender, not age or relation. (Your misunderstanding is likely my fault for not clarifying properly.) Incest is wrong because of many reasons which I’m sure you understand because we both disagree with it and the same goes for pedophilia. I believe that dating should be done safely with two or more parties (people) who are completely aware of what they are doing and what they are getting into. As for polygamy and polyamory as long as everybody in a relationship loves each other equally and would treat each other with the same amount of affection and respect as they would in a monogamous relationship it is totally acceptable. The way millions of people live and love has nothing to do with your specific beliefs and will never change because of it. Everyone is an individual and you should respect their beliefs. So in my opinion never ever show hate to someone for their same sex attraction, polyamory or their gender, only love for who they are.

 

[River__raine]

When we disagree with the lifestyle, it's called hate by the leftists. It's not hatred of the person but of the sin.

You say it doesn't hurt anyone? Fine, then perhaps LGBTQ activists will stop suing institutions we belong to
and making laws that force their ideology onto the rest of society. If I oppose this ideology, it doesn't mean
I hate such people, but refuse to accept the immorality they are trying to force onto society as being moral
according to God's laws.

Firstly, I’d like to say it is not a lifestyle, there is a documentary called ‘Pray Away’ which shows the point of views of current Christian’s who were involved in conversion therapy who learned to accept their sexual orientation and the point of views of other current Christian’s who still believe in conversion therapy. I’d suggest watching this as it is extremely informational and can deliver more than I can in this response. However going back to the fact it is not a lifestyle, lifestyle suggests that instead of homosexuality being attraction to someone else it is going to gay clubs, hooking up with people of the same sex etc. this is not the case. I am bisexual and I don’t see anything wrong with this and I know it isn’t something that could be changed or altered because it is a part of me, we are not trying to force anything on you we just want discrimination to end and equal rights to cisgender heterosexual people. The reason we are suing institutions is because they have anti-lgbtq+ views which in some cases can be seriously harmful. One of my extremely close friends knew he was a trans man from a young age and had major anxiety and gender dysphoria for his entire childhood due to his mother not letting him transition to male. If an organisation found out he was once a female and did something such as force him to use female bathrooms or use she/her pronouns that has the ability to affect his mental health and hurt him. This is homophobia/transphobia and can sometimes drive people to suicide because they feel hated and unwanted. Whilst some people are trying to force athiest beliefs onto Christian’s not everyone is, all we are trying do to is tell you we are equal. I have always been bisexual and I knew since I was 11 and I knew I was a Christian, homosexuality can live in harmony with Christianity and everyone can love each other and be happy about it.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Incest and pedophilia are very different to homosexuality and the argument I am making, I am saying you may love someone regardless of gender, not age or relation. (Your misunderstanding is likely my fault for not clarifying properly.) Incest is wrong because of many reasons which I’m sure you understand because we both disagree with it and the same goes for pedophilia. I believe that dating should be done safely with two or more parties (people) who are completely aware of what they are doing and what they are getting into. As for polygamy and polyamory as long as everybody in a relationship loves each other equally and would treat each other with the same amount of affection and respect as they would in a monogamous relationship it is totally acceptable. The way millions of people live and love has nothing to do with your specific beliefs and will never change because of it. Everyone is an individual and you should respect their beliefs. So in my opinion never ever show hate to someone for their same sex attraction, polyamory or their gender, only love for who they are.

How is incest radically different? It offends cultural and religious sensibilities, much like homosexuality once did in the west but all such standards can be broken down in favour of your argument from love. The only argument you will offer is that it might compromise offspring genetically, in which case you make incestual people infertile and in the case of incestual homosexuals you face no problem.

The bold is also not the Christian position on sex. A modern progressive divorced from historic Christianity could agree with you, but Christians do not accept the validity of polygamy and polyamory. We are not merely individuals and must live in community in line with what God expects of us. Why are you advocating against Christian standards?

 

[River__raine]

How is incest radically different? It offends cultural and religious sensibilities, much like homosexuality once did in the west but all such standards can be broken down in favour of your argument from love. The only argument you will offer is that it might compromise offspring genetically, in which case you make incestual people infertile and in the case of incestual homosexuals you face no problem.

The bold is also not the Christian position on sex. A modern progressive divorced from historic Christianity could agree with you, but Christians do not accept the validity of polygamy and polyamory. We are not merely individuals and must live in community in line with what God expects of us. Why are you advocating against Christian standards?

Incest is radically different. Not only can it compromise the health of offspring but it can be part of abusive family relationships especially if it is non-consenual. I never said anything about incestual homosexuals being okay, all incest is wrong and I believe it should never happen. Homosexuality is okay but yes, if it does involve incest it is not. Not every single homosexual relationship does have factors of incest involved, in fact majority don’t. Also I am advocating for my Christian Standards, the one where the lgbtq+ community is included and viewed as completely equal and valid.