Levels of EvC belief

Brightmoon · May 7, 2018

Walt Brown was stupidly wrong about Noah’s flood

lesliedellow · May 7, 2018

Since Everything is under God’s control anyway, that necessarily applies to evolution. So 5.

OldWiseGuy · May 7, 2018

Doveaman said:
We walk like God.

That's one reason we share His image.

Like God we like to create things as well. We don't just wait for them to 'evolve'.

Strathos · May 7, 2018

OldWiseGuy said:
Like God we like to create things as well. We don't just wait for them to 'evolve'.

We can create things that evolve as well.

Genetic algorithm - Wikipedia

OldWiseGuy · May 7, 2018

Strathos said:
We can create things that evolve as well.

Genetic algorithm - Wikipedia

I gotta get this article to my food market. They don't know how to pack the grocery bags for beans.

FrumiousBandersnatch · May 7, 2018

OldWiseGuy said:
I gotta get this article to my food market. They don't know how to pack the grocery bags for beans.

For beans, you could use a Tupperware container

Silmarien · May 8, 2018

I picked #3, though I would have preferred a less deistic option, as I lean towards the view that the "laws" of physics are descriptive rather than prescriptive. I don't believe that nature operates according to external laws that God set up--I view God as immanent in the workings of the natural order, so the whole notion of specific divine intervention falls apart entirely. All of these answers assume a division between God and nature that I reject.

In a way, #6 would have been more appropriate, but not in the way it's probably intended since I don't believe in guided evolution in the popular sense.

RealityCheck01 · May 9, 2018

dad said:
Stuff from earth escaped our gravity in the flood epoch and some ended up elsewhere in the solar system.

A fantasy about a "flood epoch" when stuff magically escaped from the Earth!

Walt Brown has stories about the flood that other creationists dispute. The Wikipedia article has him thinking that evolutionary science should exlain comets!

Brightmoon · May 9, 2018

Geologists confirmed anaerobic bacterial life on a 3.5 billion year old rock from Australia.

You’ll have to go to the website. That’s a screenshot I took of the webpage (with a silly ad). I’m still not sure how to upload stuff here

TheBear · May 9, 2018

Brightmoon said:
I’m still not sure how to upload stuff here

Scientists finally confirm there was life on Earth at least 3.5 billion years ago

dad · May 10, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
A fantasy about a "flood epoch" when stuff magically escaped from the Earth!

You have one where nothing escaped?

Walt Brown has stories about the flood that other creationists dispute. The Wikipedia article has him thinking that evolutionary science should exlain comets!

Go ahead and explain them your way..ha.

dad · May 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
View attachment 228498 Geologists confirmed anaerobic bacterial life on a 3.5 billion year old rock from Australia.

You’ll have to go to the website. That’s a screenshot I took of the webpage (with a silly ad). I’m still not sure how to upload stuff here

They actually just confirmed their same state past religious dating is wrong.

Brightmoon · May 10, 2018

Actually they had confirmed that YEC was wrong before Darwin wrote On the Origin of Species about160 years ago

Brightmoon · May 10, 2018

thanks! the bear

dad · May 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Actually they had confirmed that YEC was wrong before Darwin wrote On the Origin of Species about160 years ago

They actually confirmed they were steeped in wrong beliefs then.

Brightmoon · May 10, 2018

dad said:
They actually confirmed they were steeped in wrong beliefs then.

. Where’s your evidence that young earthers were correct? Hutton was aware that the earth was old before Darwin was born . The Age of Enlightenment was called that for a good reason .

dad · May 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
. Where’s your evidence that young earthers were correct? Hutton was aware that the earth was old before Darwin was born . The Age of Enlightenment was called that for a good reason .

No. Hutton was wrong. He believed. He was not aware!

Strathos · May 10, 2018

dad said:
You have one where nothing escaped?

I do.

RealityCheck01 · May 10, 2018

dad said:
You have one where nothing escaped?

You have the probably deluded fantasies (comets are living things that evolved?) of a person that even other creationists distrust and have debunked.

We have physical observations about comets. We have visited comets several times. We have gathered dust grains from a comet coma. We have landed a spacecraft on a comet! The body of physical evidence is that comets formed in the early solar system. They contain water, CO2 and methane ices. They contain dust grains that do not form on planets. They have orbits which makes it physically impossible for them to originate from the inner planets, e.g. ones that never get into the inner solar system.

We have real comets and the laws of physics. The estimated mass of all of the comets is greater than the mass of the Earth ! The thousands of known comets are a small fraction of the mass of the Earth at about 10^18 kg but the heat released in blasting water and rock from the surface of the Earth would possibly turn the surface into lava. However that is the fantasy you are supporting so you do the math.

Comets are a small argument against a young Earth. Some have periods of tens or hundreds of thousands of years. YEC should have only short-period comets of < 10,000 years. Some YEC try explain this away by imagining that comets disintegrate at a fast rate but:
The Disintegration of Comets as a Creationist Clock
Young Earth Evidence - Short-period Comets
Note that the reservoir of Kuiper Belt objects as the source of some comets is getting close to a fact as we detect smaller and smaller Kuiper Belt objects.

RealityCheck01 · May 10, 2018

dad said:
They actually just confirmed their same state past religious dating is wrong.

11 May 2018 dad: A "past religious dating" lie.
Radiometric dating is science not religion.

ETA: What James Hutton discovered over 200 years ago was not really dating. It was the realization that layers of sedimentary rock were laid down in cycles of deposition, uplifting, erosions and then drowning again. That needs enormous amounts of time. How long that time was took a lot more research to establish.

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